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2014-12-05
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What sulu said, + I consider Pyra a notebook replacement (for most cases), just like I use N900 as notebook replacement, nowadays (+ as a main phone).
The plus of Pyra is that it's going to fulfill the notebook replacement thing *much* better than Neo900, and phone functionality is nice bonus, that means I won't need to carry a "dumb phone" with me. B'cause, really, the notebook functionality on the go in my pocket is *much* more important than phone-like ones - for the latter, one can carry ultra-lightweight "dumb"phone with battery life exceeding anything that "smartphones" or "phablets" offer, sometimes by order of magnitude.
Now, many major things for notebook-in-pocket replacement - like connecting to external monitor/tv - are natural on Pyra, while remaining "maybe" (and requiring some hooping through the flaming loops) on the Neo900.
Last but not least = this post wouldn't be complete without mentioning that - the "minor" fact that Pyra comes from people that did successful projects in the past is "the"*thing too, for me. Neo900 leadership have a background of scorched earth, burned bridges, rage quits and unfulfilled promises. IMO, this marks the difference between "promising project" and "vaporware".
/Estel
The plus of Pyra is that it's going to fulfill the notebook replacement thing *much* better than Neo900, and phone functionality is nice bonus, that means I won't need to carry a "dumb phone" with me. B'cause, really, the notebook functionality on the go in my pocket is *much* more important than phone-like ones - for the latter, one can carry ultra-lightweight "dumb"phone with battery life exceeding anything that "smartphones" or "phablets" offer, sometimes by order of magnitude.
Now, many major things for notebook-in-pocket replacement - like connecting to external monitor/tv - are natural on Pyra, while remaining "maybe" (and requiring some hooping through the flaming loops) on the Neo900.
Last but not least = this post wouldn't be complete without mentioning that - the "minor" fact that Pyra comes from people that did successful projects in the past is "the"*thing too, for me. Neo900 leadership have a background of scorched earth, burned bridges, rage quits and unfulfilled promises. IMO, this marks the difference between "promising project" and "vaporware".
/Estel
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2014-12-05
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@Estel,
I partly agree with you. Particularly on having a really small portable/pocketable *computer* (whether Pyra or Neo900: I'll take both if/when I can), even at the expense (or rather, with the advantage) of having a separate, special-purpose *phone*.
Ranting about Neo900 has no place here and I certainly wouldn't consider it vaporware.
I partly agree with you. Particularly on having a really small portable/pocketable *computer* (whether Pyra or Neo900: I'll take both if/when I can), even at the expense (or rather, with the advantage) of having a separate, special-purpose *phone*.
Ranting about Neo900 has no place here and I certainly wouldn't consider it vaporware.
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2014-12-05
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Comparing pros and cons != ranting. My comparison touched many aspects, and the "last but not least" one is, IMO, also important one - if I would have to decide where put my money, it would be important to me, what history of (un)successful cooperations person behind a project is having.
I'm sorry if it touched your holy grail, but mentioning this flaw of Neo900 is as appropriate, as it would be if, for example, team behind deceased Vivaldi tablet would announce "new, awesome linux-powered device".
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I'm sorry if it touched your holy grail, but mentioning this flaw of Neo900 is as appropriate, as it would be if, for example, team behind deceased Vivaldi tablet would announce "new, awesome linux-powered device".
/Estel
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2014-12-05
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The Pyra has 3G+4G capabilities. Who knows, maybe they can add calling functionality to it? 
I'm following the Pyra development for a long time now, and I'm very excited about this!
I'm following the Pyra development for a long time now, and I'm very excited about this!
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2014-12-05
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Originally Posted by nokiabot
The praya?
The praya can also get a opt in soc upgrade (amd 64 bit with radeon gpu ) in future if that happens no powervr mess !
What's a praya?
pyra i.e lovely in hindi 
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2014-12-05
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My last paragraph. 'Tis the most important clarification I could offer on my position. The Pyra is a niche device, and isn't for everyone as a result. Also, I'll say it again: it's really up to each individual to determine if the Pyra will work for them as a companion device.
Bam. You already got a plan. Good on ya!
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that. That's why the question was asked as a "you" question.
I sometimes bring my 3DS with me for a long bus ride or if I know I'm going to be waiting for a while (doctor visits, dentist appointment), and I feel just fine.
I don't recall specifying if you'd use it around your friends. Then again, I didn't specify the environment. In any case, I do agree with your sentiment.
The iPhone thing wasn't literal. I won't question why you carry around hard drives; that's all on you.
Thus far, the Pyra sounds like your kind of device! Note the "your" in that sentence. Again, I want to be clear that it's an important distinction to make.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. If that's what you do, then that's what you do. The Pyra would fit you nicely.
That's your decision. Personally, I always have a decent set of earphones, as they are my favorite method of bombarding my ears with soundwaves. At moderation, of course.
I'm aware. This was made clear relatively early in the Pyra's development.
He also provided links in his recent announcement thread, which I linked.
Again, I cannot stress this enough. The Pyra's not gonna work for everyone as a companion device, but you'll know if it does. In your case, the Pyra seems like a dream-come-true.
I'm not trying to be the one that says, "Oh, you don't need a Pyra in your life."
Originally Posted by sulu
As I mentioned previously, I think the Pyra could definitely replace all of one's spare phones, with ease.
Sort of. But there's nothing wrong with having backups.
Iff I carry a bag (or a jacket), I carry my phone in it.
Since that's not always the case I sometimes carry my phone in my trousers pocket.
As I already said elsewhere that would make the Neo900 my summer device while the Pyra would be my winter device.
What's wrong with that?
I sometimes bring my 3DS with me for a long bus ride or if I know I'm going to be waiting for a while (doctor visits, dentist appointment), and I feel just fine.
If my friends care so much about the looks of my phone that they feel offended by it, I should probably change my friends instead of my phone.
Well, I do - apart from the IPhone user's thing. If they feel pissed off by me carrying an eSATA HDD then that's their problem, not mine. I simply don't care.
Thus far, the Pyra sounds like your kind of device! Note the "your" in that sentence. Again, I want to be clear that it's an important distinction to make.
Me again - sometimes!
I grew up with Mac Gyver, which means there are certain things I ALWAYS carry around. That of course includes the mandatory swiss knife, and among other things also its digital counterpart which is a USB stick with a rescue Linux (Porteus nowadays).
So if I want to give someone some data on a USB stick I carry two of them around.
Turn the volume down and use the speaker?
The nice thing about the Pyra is, that its SoC is on a seperate board. So a potential upgrade would only require you to replace this one board instead of the whole device or all it's electronics.
Michael Mrozek, the head Pyra developer, recently said on a presentation he gave during OHSW [1] that such an upgrade board would probably cost 150 Euros.
Again, I cannot stress this enough. The Pyra's not gonna work for everyone as a companion device, but you'll know if it does. In your case, the Pyra seems like a dream-come-true.
I'm not trying to be the one that says, "Oh, you don't need a Pyra in your life."
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2014-12-05
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Originally Posted by Estel
I feel the same way, as pointed out by what I said about the Pyra being a decent ARM PC. The Pyra can easily replace one's laptop.
What sulu said, + I consider Pyra a notebook replacement (for most cases), just like I use N900 as notebook replacement, nowadays (+ as a main phone).
The plus of Pyra is that it's going to fulfill the notebook replacement thing *much* better than Neo900, and phone functionality is nice bonus, that means I won't need to carry a "dumb phone" with me. B'cause, really, the notebook functionality on the go in my pocket is *much* more important than phone-like ones - for the latter, one can carry ultra-lightweight "dumb"phone with battery life exceeding anything that "smartphones" or "phablets" offer, sometimes by order of magnitude.
With that said, I can see that the Pyra will work for you (as you already determined), and I can respect that.
Now, many major things for notebook-in-pocket replacement - like connecting to external monitor/tv - are natural on Pyra, while remaining "maybe" (and requiring some hooping through the flaming loops) on the Neo900.
Last but not least = this post wouldn't be complete without mentioning that - the "minor" fact that Pyra comes from people that did successful projects in the past is "the"*thing too, for me. Neo900 leadership have a background of scorched earth, burned bridges, rage quits and unfulfilled promises. IMO, this marks the difference between "promising project" and "vaporware".
I get that you lack faith in the dev team behind the Neo900. We'll see in the near future. No disrespect, but that really doesn't mean much until the results are in. If/when the Neo900 materializes (or not), that's all that matters at the end of the day.
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2014-12-05
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Originally Posted by Tigerroast
Of course, everyone's expectation differ - but when discussing device's feasibility, we can skip that, or any point would be moot one (after all, everything may be suitable for someone). When I wrote "more important", I thought about it as "more important for device's success", thats why no "for me bit".
Alright. When you said, "...the notebook functionality on the go in my pocket is *much* more important than phone-like ones...," you forgot the, "...for me," bit.
Why? Because phone functionality can be found on gazillion of devices, while (real) desktop-PC-in-pocket is close to non-existent category. Here is a niche for Pyra. IMO - even outside of my personal sentiments - in direct comparison with Pyra, device like Neo900 (if lacking major parts of "desktop pc in pocket") may, at the end of a day, interest people fanatically attached to Hildon-like experience for mobile computing (aka small percent of Maemo users), and thats about it. Pyta gets everything else, which is, like, 99,99% of "geeky" audience?
Funny enough, I considered myself "fanatically attached to Hildon-way of doing mobile computing" not so long ago. Nowadays, I still think that Hildonesque have nice appeal and some great ideas in it, but the more I learn about customizing window managers and lightweight desktop environments (like LXDE) to my liking/special needs, the less and less need for Hildon I see. Certainly, not enough to justify hooping through so many fire loops, like porting Fremantle to anything non-Nokia require, objectively.
Going back to my personal preferences - gimme good power-saving (including really nicely used sleep states of CPU, like on N900), complete control over radio's behavior, etc, and I can easily shrug Hildon off. Time better spent on customizing openbox/LXDE and filling bugs/feature requests where appropriate (also to enhance mobile experience), than desperately trying to keep Fremantle/Hildon from falling apart due to old age (which, incidentally, is starting to fail compiling even basic CLI programs, due to outdated... Everything).
/Estel
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I'm aware that all possible the N900-like hardware projects should also allow other OS'es than Fremantle, but I can't imagine anyone buying it over Pyra for running something OTHER than FreEmantle on it. Unless one is buying both devices "for the love of projects", but it hardly counts as sustainable customers base, IMO.
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Since that's not always the case I sometimes carry my phone in my trousers pocket.
As I already said elsewhere that would make the Neo900 my summer device while the Pyra would be my winter device.
If my friends care so much about the looks of my phone that they feel offended by it, I should probably change my friends instead of my phone.
I grew up with Mac Gyver, which means there are certain things I ALWAYS carry around. That of course includes the mandatory swiss knife, and among other things also its digital counterpart which is a USB stick with a rescue Linux (Porteus nowadays).
So if I want to give someone some data on a USB stick I carry two of them around.
Michael Mrozek, the head Pyra developer, recently said on a presentation he gave during OHSW [1] that such an upgrade board would probably cost 150 Euros.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkr49EnxsdM