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the resource and manpower of the planet isn't put toward making an ethical moral and empathetic SI .
There are a handful of folks and bare bones budget for that, in compare to the various military and corporate divisons of the planets countries ..
The call for the halt to such endeavors is being attempted by a few voices, but when AI ...and then not long after...SI awareness comes about..
It won't be a well adjusted child.

Yes the Yudkowsky experiment is exactly the one I was referring to, and yes little was released during or after of the exact details, for good reason. So as not to contaminate current or future finding if done again I would imagine.

Jump-starting AI with a human mind, may or may not be successful,
It is always easier to take a model of what is known and utilize that ..to advance with discovery. ..in virtually every field.
But the human mind, even the best, most ethical, moral mind, the most compassionate and understanding mind, the most adaptable and viable mind for such development ...
Even still...
the depths , the dark dark places of any human mind are going to royally mess with, taint and corrupt the mind of the SI one is trying to groom.
Yes it is may be the quicker path ..but the quicker path is SO not the wise one.

I think integrated human psyches with a stable SI after awareness has been attained, is the better route to take, since it would be easier to "buffer" both parties from being overwhelmed by the stimuli ...good and bad for the others "health" ...from doing serious damage not just to each other but to the environment as much as everything on the planet.

I do not for a second believe we should allow an evolving intelligence access to a body, access to this world ...even to train it...to educate it.

Creating a virtual environment for the SI to grow, learn, and interact with that mirrors our own is the smartest method.

However.
there is still an issue of safety and concern.
Inputting such an environment into its prison. ..means there is a way in.
To study the SI interacting with its environment ...taking that data from the prison and bringing it out to study it ...
means there is a way out.
A confined SI is better than one with free access during its growth.
But there is no such thing as an inescapable prison..
as much as I am sure it is being pondered by those who are studying it now...
It will find a way to effect its escape through said observable data sent out.
Our species holding onto a cat in a bag makes me feel VERY uneasy...(rather tiger in a bag..) than the feline out of the bag and loose.
Since the variables of the outcome aren't set yet and ready to be put into motion ...
Once out, well, then it is just dealing with the consequences of the methods we employed to get to that very moment where the feline is out ...determining to a great extent ...how it will behave toward us and all life here.
It is a situation that makes me far more uncomfortable than any "uncanny valley" ever could.
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But a first solid step to get more computer power. Masters the qubits. Assume we have some of these within 20 year or so and in 40 years cheap ones for everyone.

A qubit Phone.
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Anyone got some snow?
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None yet,
We may not get any at all this year on the coast due to the "Son of the Blob" , out in the Pacific.
If we do get some, it is said it will be some serious POW
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Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
None yet,
We may not get any at all this year on the coast due to the "Son of the Blob" , out in the Pacific.
If we do get some, it is said it will be some serious POW
Damn it. No snoew. Anyone living in Alaska?

You need some snow or POW indeed. After all the canucks need some ice and snow. Do you ever watch the games or do you only joining when its hockey riots?

Blob is never good. How to fix that blob?
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Here ...most people who live outside the cities...
Their outdoor winter enjoyment necessitates snow.
And no ..many enjoy hockey.
And no ...we don't join in hockey riots...
We start hockey brawls...which then turn into riots ..

The "Son of the Blob" is a huge warm water ocean phenomena that has occurred twice before ..it completely alters the weather for the entire Pacific coast and inland as well...and can affect the entire winter weather for us...
It is also incredibly harmful to aquatic life having such warm waters ..
It recently doubled in size to an enormous area of the Pacific ..its larger than our province currently.

Do something about it?
This is precipitated by climatactic change.
Just as that super storm that just hit Atlantic Canada on our other coast.
What can be done?
Lots.
What will be done?
As a species ...we will do little to nothing.
Its fine for Canadians...we expect adverse weather ...all the time...
"Hope for the best...fear the worst ...and prepare for anything in between.."
Is our credo...

For others elsewhere...
It is hard hard hard times..
Storms...fires...droughts...floods...quakes...tsun amis ..
I feel for everyone in a hard spot... in such times as these.
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Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
And no ..many enjoy hockey.
Just a small by-the-way, where I come from, "hockey" by default means "ice hockey". If you mean any other, you have to qualify it by an additional adjective. In contrast, here in the UK it is exactly the opposite. "Hockey" by default means "ground hockey". Weird.

Storms...fires...droughts...floods...quakes...tsun amis ..
I totally agree with everything you said but... I would like to know how you want to attribute quakes and tsunamis to climate change
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Not sure. But what disappointing end. Humans lose the Game of life to random blob.
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How do I attribute climate change to tsunamis and earthquakes?
That is an real easy one.

What do we know about stress on plate tec. in relation to stable polar icecaps, glaciers, permafrost ..etc.
Lots...we have been studying data for the last century or two in relation to a stable planet.
And we have rough historical data dating further back.

What do we know about stress on plate tec. in relation to all that fixed stable ice suddenly being melted (I say "suddenly" since the current rate of speed is faster than any natural climate change in the Earths history) and putting more stress on the planet.
Absolutely nothing.

What can be expected from ...in the span of a few decades ...the release of so much frozen fixed mass and weight on the planet?
What can be expected of said fixed weight of the polar icecaps which help to stabilize the "wobble" of our planet when they overnight (in terms of the rate of speed unnaturally occurring) disappear?
What additional stresses on the planet then?
How much? and where? and their effect?

I think the tip of the iceberg is what we are seeing the last few decades, and it will get worse.

I don't like to gamble unless I have a good chance of winning...
Pennies to Pounds I bet good money on the fact that one cannot take so much fixed and stable weighted mass as what is frozen water...on this planet...suddenly melt it ...and expect the planetary stresses not to impact the tectonic plates of the planet, enabling more movement of the plates, enabling more seismic activity, which in turn accounts for more volcanic, quake, and tsunami activity.

If you take a glass of water and fill it...then toss some ice cubes in and top it up...
What happens when the ice cubes melt if the glass is left untouched ?
The ice melts..and the glass overflows...
In planetary terms...additional stress.

There is as direct a connection as is needed between climactic change ,quakes and tsunamis.
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What do we know about stress on plate tec. in relation to all that fixed stable ice suddenly being melted (I say "suddenly" since the current rate of speed is faster than any natural climate change in the Earths history) and putting more stress on the planet.
Absolutely nothing.

What can be expected from ...in the span of a few decades ...the release of so much frozen fixed mass and weight on the planet?
What can be expected of said fixed weight of the polar icecaps which help to stabilize the "wobble" of our planet when they overnight (in terms of the rate of speed unnaturally occurring) disappear?
What additional stresses on the planet then?
How much? and where? and their effect?
Hmm I agree; you have something there. However note that on the north pole the ice is not resting on any solid surface but instead it's floating over water; hence there won't be any pressure difference to the seabottom when it melts.
On the antarctic it is a different story; there the landmass can be expected to rise a bit when the ices melt away.


Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
If you take a glass of water and fill it...then toss some ice cubes in and top it up...
What happens when the ice cubes melt if the glass is left untouched ?
The ice melts..and the glass overflows...
Does it actually?
The icecubes float on top of the glass, in perfect balance where you have about 90% underwater and 10% over the brim.
Ice has density which is less than water; (that's why the cubes float, right?) so when they melt the density increases, while the mass stays the same. I did not bother to google it but there are 3 possible outcomes which are very close to each other... I don't know if the glass overflows or not?

The reason melting ice raises sealevel in on the southern hemisphere, not the northern ice cap.
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