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#871
Chen's statement is obvious....

"I am doing something and it will be absolutely fantastic"

There is no project ...
He has simply been kidnapped ...
and now...
Donald Trump is here impersonating him..

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#872
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Now you are just being facetious. Like a teenager who has been told off for leaving dirty bits on washed dishes and exclaiming, "alright then, next time I won't wash anything!"

I, personally, agree that Chen is under no obligation but he certainly is not managing expectations very well. "I am doing something and it will be absolutely fantastic" is a very bad way of handling it, simply because if whatever comes out at the end is even a smidgen below someone's idea of "absolutely fantastic", he will get the flak for failing to deliver on promises.

There are only two ways of handling it properly. Either keep quiet and surprise everyone with a ready product or keep the development absolutely open. Black or white. Gray is an invitation to speculations. I hasten to add that speculations are not Chen's fault but if there is something he can do to prevent them, then why not.
you call me facetious because of something you just agree with, some lines later
...well than I'm happy to be facetious
 

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#873
Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Yes, and we are here supporting him. What is the issue? Waiting for information whenever it’s available. Could it be that you have misread the thread? To me atleast it’s obvious that all are hoping that chen will succeed.
You went from comparing (multiple times) Chen's project with yet another Jolla tablet drama, then irony on the impossible schedule and unfeasible goals, then a cynical and skeptical ranting (I got it that it was written to be funny, but your point was still clear), then suggesting that whether or not Chen is actually trying to deliver the product remains to be proven, then admitting that he doesn't have to disclose what is deemed NDA or sensible before there is a prototype to show, and now you are claiming that we are all clearly supporting him. Altogether, those posts are very hard to reconcile and I'm sure I'm not the only one to be a bit surprised by this vision of support.

Also, a search on "Chenliangchen" in this thread quickly shows that he disclosed much more than just "I will deliver something absolutely fantastic. Close your eyes and have trust." Please try, and remember that this thread was just opened exactly one year ago. Chen has postponed his initial plans to work on the device as soon as last year because he decided to finish the Moto Mod first, probably to better allocate time and ressources, get better visibility in the media, and have a demonstrated proof record. Coincidentally, he went away from the initial crowdfunding plan and started prototyping the device without our money. Causal relationship? Absolutely no clue, but at least the change of plan did not compromise the project. Therefore, we are most likely just a few months into development, yet he shared more about his intentions and the final product he is aiming for than with any other non-crowdfunded project. Actually, I'm not even sure all crowdfunding campaigns disclose this much information at such an early stage: they usually have prototypes and images to show before they try to raise funds from the public, but remain silent until that point, meaning the backers know about a project months or years after it was started internally.

In the end, maybe there are only two ways to properly manage expectations (I personally am not convinced it has to be that binary but that is just one opinion and it is not the point), but I find it pretty harsh to call this project closed and secret. The only major interrogation from a user's perspective is the OS, but it's reasonable to assume that compatibility and/or partnerships remain to be confirmed when a first functional prototype is built and the possible user base can be assessed. How Livermorium plan to secure production and finally hit the market is up to them (I suppose they will need to check anyhow what the demand is the beyond niche-TMO to see if it is reasonable to commit to producing thousands of units), and it is our right to have concerns because we hope the device ends up in our hands, but how many companies share their economic strategy to the public and to competitors?

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#874
I’m not dancing around the projects like a fanboy. I’m more like a tornado that twisting around the project I support. That is how I role. Nothing new.

That doesn’t mean I don’t care for success for qwerty slider and chen.

How do you think we best support the project right here, right now with the info we got?

I think it’s a great idea to keep this thread bizzy until chen arrives.
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#875
I think Chen is doing the smart thing.
given the nightmare of how things turn out here...

rather than incremental updates for everyone to pick over.

Showing and making available a product ...
after it is done..
makes sense.
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#876
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
I think Chen is doing the smart thing.
given the nightmare of how things turn out here...

rather than incremental updates for everyone to pick over.

Showing and making available a product ...
after it is done..
makes sense.
Yeah. If it’s done. No need to drop something half baked here unless he wants to make some new potential customers, advice or just hangout.

But most of the time it usually ends up with different feature request
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I wouldn't worry about people being rude too much, Chen has been here long enough to know how to use the ignore list... I doubt he even saw the post.
 

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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw View Post
I wouldn't worry about people being rude too much, Chen has been here long enough to know how to use the ignore list... I doubt he even saw the post.
I’m not sure what post you are talking about. But if you consider any of my post rude you are right. He use ignore list and seems to be happy with that so that is excellent.

Now we just have to wait for some kind of release date or announcement of some info. Will see what happens next.
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... oh how refreshing to read through 3 pages of posts where 2 frogs and an endsor speculates about speculation... ;-)
 

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PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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