Originally Posted by pbox

So, Joerg, is there any more specific date you are trying to aim at with the release of your Neo900? Give us at least some info whether it might be 2nd, 3rd of 4th quarter of 2016, please! I dare to think rather of 3rd and 4th ones although I really would like to make a note in my diary... Thanks.

Originally Posted by Kabouik

Thanks a lot for the very honest and transparent communication! I did not expect 2016 (I think I've read it somewhere a couple years ago, but thought it was not the current plan anymore), very good news!

I guess the software part might take longer to be 100% operational.

Originally Posted by Kabouik

I'm afraid we are alter ego and should spend the rest of our life together. It's obvious that we are connected and should not waste it. I hope you're cute and don't snore too much, honey.

Originally Posted by ammyt

Whoah now that got 0-100 real quick.

Originally Posted by joerg_rw

Well, a few guys working for Neo900 actually cost money per time, just like the infra and other administrative tasks and taxes do. I can't afford long delays (beyond 2016) unless I fire or suspend all staff and freeze the UG. Nothing to feel 'deeply worried' about though.

Originally Posted by pharaoh94

can you convince one of these lower android phone companies to take a look at maemo and neo900 project for investments, so they can worry about hardware supplies and fund, while you tender neofremantle porting? i believe if it works, the community will get stronger and better with adequate funding and time well managed. we can also convince webos community and symbian community to support maemo: have them port apps to neofremantle that way we have more numbers going for neo900 = more funds,stronger community. with this we can give maemo the opportuinity nokia failed to give.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Can I be honest here?

Great idea but the numbers would invariably be far too low to get anybody to touch such a project. You'd incur the potential wrath of Microsoft, it'd be something that would only sell in the hundreds... not thousands or millions... but only hundreds.

And if it were to be as well built as the original N900, it'll end up being a device that won't be replaced for years, so repeat business would not be a factor or potential draw.

As it stands, the way they're approaching it has been perhaps one of the only ways that they could. Could they approach a company for founding of parts and whatnot; I would not be surprised (guessing
100% here) if that's already been done with varying results but none all too positive.

The plus side... I'd rather be wrong and there's a company that understands the community and wants to be a part of that and a be a part of the success. I'd love to see that happen.

Originally Posted by pharaoh94

thats really educative but if comapanies are going to be hard to convince. we stick to merging other communities like what openmoko and maemo is working on now, we could expand.. go broader.. we have pandora,meego,symbian,web os,firefox os,bada... i'm pretty sure they might wanna help. if we could get them to order, easy access to funds,

Originally Posted by gerbick

I think in this case, somehow PayPal labeled the Neo900 incorrectly and that caused issues. Other endeavors as you have listed:

• Pandora - very small sales
• MeeGo - very dead, use Mer instead
• Symbian - very dead, very closed - hacks are the workarounds
• WebOS - actually quite active from what I've read around LuneOS
• FirefoxOS - no clue, seemed to be iffy HTML5 over libhybris or something (won't lie, no clue here truly)
• Bada - see also Tizen, very slow uptake so far

There's a ton of other options - like AsteroidOS, but in the end they're all small and tend to be stretched thin and in need of help. I'd love to see all or some of those do well.

But I'm not sure how it would benefit Neo900 directly. But mind you, I tend to play devil's advocate and remain skeptical until there's a product that I can purchase and see readily available support and/or code.

Let's see what happens and what are options. I know damn well that the guys in/around the Neo900 are way more knowledgeable than I in those regards.

Thanks for the healthy convo. You've expanded my thoughts on how this could succeed.