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2010-07-27
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Originally Posted by Peet
Unfortunately, lack of open drivers is a plague that persists across all desktop (sans Intel) and embedded devices. Even ARM and Qualcomm's cores use closed drivers, never mind Nvidia.
There has been some half-hearted moves to free some of the proprietary ARM graphics support and hopefully those efforts lead somewhere. Intel's pact with the devil known as Imagination for their closed-source GMA-x00 graphics acceleration tack-on chips helps keep Intel out of the picture for the foreseeable future.
Unfortunately, I know of no embedded OpenGL ES capable graphics chipset with open drivers. Perhaps if AMD/ATi hadn't sold theirs off, but that's neither here nor there.
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2010-07-27
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Originally Posted by wmarone
Qualcomm recently opensourced Snapdragon with Adren GPU drivers. Sources are here.
Unfortunately, lack of open drivers is a plague that persists across all desktop (sans Intel) and embedded devices. Even ARM and Qualcomm's cores use closed drivers, never mind Nvidia.
Unfortunately, I know of no embedded OpenGL ES capable graphics chipset with open drivers. Perhaps if AMD/ATi hadn't sold theirs off, but that's neither here nor there.
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2010-07-27
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And Intel's proprietary embedded graphics chipsets from Imagination (gma500/600/? for netbooks and handhelds) are apparently unmaintainable under Linux...
A month ago Qualcomm made their half-assed first effort at openness by publishing half-proprietary Linux drivers. Maybe that eventually leads to greater openness or at minimum remotely tolerable maintainability.
I remain hopeful that the Linaro cooperative and their hardware customers would be able to convince some ARM / graphics licensee(s) to come out and play open.
With ARM really depending on Linux (the kernel) and open-source in general for so much it is painful to see the ARM ecosystem locked down by proprietary (but crucial) components.
A month ago Qualcomm made their half-assed first effort at openness by publishing half-proprietary Linux drivers. Maybe that eventually leads to greater openness or at minimum remotely tolerable maintainability.
I remain hopeful that the Linaro cooperative and their hardware customers would be able to convince some ARM / graphics licensee(s) to come out and play open.
With ARM really depending on Linux (the kernel) and open-source in general for so much it is painful to see the ARM ecosystem locked down by proprietary (but crucial) components.
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2010-07-27
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Strong evangelism talk.
Emotional rhetorics > Facts....
Would be much appreciated if it's reversed...
Strong facts that can rile up emotional responses.
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Emotional rhetorics > Facts....
Would be much appreciated if it's reversed...
Strong facts that can rile up emotional responses.
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2010-07-27
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Originally Posted by ysss
I generally tend to agree with you, but I'm not sure what you're really saying here...
Strong evangelism talk.
Emotional rhetorics > Facts....
Would be much appreciated if it's reversed...
Strong facts that can rile up emotional responses.
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2010-07-27
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I get it. People let their emotions out before... well, really stating the facts. It's like a propaganda rally. You're all sweaty, worked up, excited... and only will go in the same direction as the angry mob ahead and alongside you.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
What he said
I get it. People let their emotions out before... well, really stating the facts. It's like a propaganda rally. You're all sweaty, worked up, excited... and only will go in the same direction as the angry mob ahead and alongside you.
ps: not saying the article is incorrect; but we could do with more facts before throwing the strong sentiments..
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Originally Posted by ysss
I'd appreciate any factual corrections and also suggestions for improving the emotional rhetoric where it is IYO warranted.
What he said
ps: not saying the article is incorrect; but we could do with more facts before throwing the strong sentiments..
Someone looked into the matter of availability of Android source (wrt. preloading OEMs) and found the state of affairs rather dismal. That is on top of other grey areas (environment, applications) in Android what comes to open source.
Meego is still finding its way, but we should also try to understand where the competition is. For me openness is very important because it promotes both sustainability and security (and inter-operability etc.).
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2010-07-28
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Originally Posted by Peet
Yes, completely agreed on this point. My 'hyper emotional' comment was partly directed at the xenophobia (borderline racism?) toward chinese in your original comment
Someone looked into the matter of availability of Android source (wrt. preloading OEMs) and found the state of affairs rather dismal. That is on top of other grey areas (environment, applications) in Android what comes to open source.
Meego is still finding its way, but we should also try to understand where the competition is. For me openness is very important because it promotes both sustainability and security (and inter-operability etc.).
I conceptually agree with your remark, but it doesn't always work out as simple and easy as it's implied.
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Unfortunately, the current crop of Android tablets aren’t nurturing open source at all."
Project Gus: The Sad State of Open Source in Android tablets
Comment: Sadly at the moment Android tablets and phones are more or less the only serious somewhat OSS offerings available.
The run-of-the-mill Chinese sweatshop factories are churning out Android devices but - even forgetting the political implications of buying into Chinese state corporatism - these fly-by-night operators are sharing none of their GPL'ed source code! Cheapo Chinese Android tablets certainly aren't for me...
Meego on ARM by a trustworthy OEM seems to be what I'm still impatiently waiting for.
There has been some half-hearted moves to free some of the proprietary ARM graphics support and hopefully those efforts lead somewhere. Intel's pact with the devil known as Imagination for their closed-source GMA-x00 graphics acceleration tack-on chips helps keep Intel out of the picture for the foreseeable future.
Still, I could consider getting Android-on-ARM tablet or phone if the hardware was open and Meego could be installed and supported (by both kernel and Meego developers) at a later stage.
But just where are all the Meego-compatible ARM-based devices, even rumoured ones? If only Nokia and Intel branded devices (whenever available) will be supported it is going to be a tough uphill battle to gain mind- and marketshare.