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2008-05-21
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Originally Posted by Reggie
Reggie I still think this is a good idea. People just didn't give it time, there is so much more stuff that you couldn't have offered to End Users to download that they can't find at maemo.org. I for one would have liked a templete section so people could create templetes and upload them, it would have also been cool for a section for Flash games and programs that run well on the tablets. I have found a lot of games that are fun and run well(and are free) that I have no where to post them for people to fine easly. There is alot of stuff that could have been done with this and I hope you don't give up on it. I know you worked hard on it.
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2008-05-21
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well like it or not i think this needs to happen....linux as a whole needs to be drug out and made user friendly and older mindsets need to evolve ..i understand everyone has done there time as newbies heck i will never consider myself above that level and its not too good to give all the answers but sometimes a little direction cant hurt
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2008-05-21
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Originally Posted by Reggie
Perhaps, but did you bother to try communicating with them about it, or did you just assume that they're not interested? X-Fade (Niels Breet) is the new(ish) community man-on-the-inside* for maemo.org. His entire job is to get with the community and make things happen for the website, and this certainly fits into the realm of "things". If you'd been following the discussions on the lists and announcements on maemo.org, you'd realize that Nokia is trying to move maemo.org more into community hands and for the community's desires.
I have to clarify that I'm when I say Maemo.org, it's the folks that run it, not the developers.
*We've also got dneary (Dave Neary) as the new community docmaster, and andre (Andre Klapper) and guenther (Karsten Bräckelmann) as the new bugmasters.
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2008-05-21
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IMHO the maemo.org download section ist a very good place for tablet beginners to catch software for there device.
Most of the applications in the download section provide a link to there garage page or home page.
End user to end user discussions are possible in ITT without any problem. Discussions about new desktop backgrounds, levels für numty physics and stuff like this could be discussed here too.
On maemo.org the problem is, that there seems to be no possibility not to show a forum / bugzilla / ... per application. E.g. for me it is not transparent where to post a bug. In bugs.maemo.or or in the bugzilla of the project? where to discuss the software? Maybe it would be a good idea to let the owner of a maemo.org project put links to discussions / levels / stuff (e.g. in ITT) into the project page. But not only the owner - other people to like in a wiki.
Just my 2 cent,
jukey
Most of the applications in the download section provide a link to there garage page or home page.
End user to end user discussions are possible in ITT without any problem. Discussions about new desktop backgrounds, levels für numty physics and stuff like this could be discussed here too.
On maemo.org the problem is, that there seems to be no possibility not to show a forum / bugzilla / ... per application. E.g. for me it is not transparent where to post a bug. In bugs.maemo.or or in the bugzilla of the project? where to discuss the software? Maybe it would be a good idea to let the owner of a maemo.org project put links to discussions / levels / stuff (e.g. in ITT) into the project page. But not only the owner - other people to like in a wiki.
Just my 2 cent,
jukey
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2008-05-21
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Yup, some months back. Yes, I know about X-Fade (link).
Perhaps, but did you bother to try communicating with them about it, or did you just assume that they're not interested? X-Fade (Niels Breet) is the new(ish) community man-on-the-inside* for maemo.org.
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2008-05-21
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Reggie --
I understand what you're saying, and I am in agreement with your thinking on the process -- it should be convenient for the users. ...and, I say that as a developer (although, not [yet] an NIT developer).
I hope that some version of your vision comes to pass, here... it is, as you've noted, sorely needed, and should be driven by the needs/wants of the end-users, regardless of (and sometimes, despite) their individual technical acumen.
Is it perfect? No. ...nor is it necessarily cast in stone, either. I think you've got a good starting point, and that you're going at it from the right direction. It should be about making things easier and more convenient for the users. If that means it makes it more difficult, or less convenient, for the developers, then maybe that's the price to be paid. ...or something that can be improved upon as the whole process matures.
I understand what you're saying, and I am in agreement with your thinking on the process -- it should be convenient for the users. ...and, I say that as a developer (although, not [yet] an NIT developer).
I hope that some version of your vision comes to pass, here... it is, as you've noted, sorely needed, and should be driven by the needs/wants of the end-users, regardless of (and sometimes, despite) their individual technical acumen.
Is it perfect? No. ...nor is it necessarily cast in stone, either. I think you've got a good starting point, and that you're going at it from the right direction. It should be about making things easier and more convenient for the users. If that means it makes it more difficult, or less convenient, for the developers, then maybe that's the price to be paid. ...or something that can be improved upon as the whole process matures.
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2008-05-21
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I'm still confused as to why this topic has to polarize. I also don't understand why syndication wasn't a solution.
But what I do understand is that two different (but related) core issues are being blurred here, as gnuite pointed out, and I think this discussion is just gonna stay wrapped around the axle until the 2 distinct conversations are separated. To reiterate, they are:
-using maemo garage (or alternatives) to manage app development
-using maemo downloads (or alternatives) to make finished apps available to end users
There have already been threads created (and HIGHLY populated) for both topics-- so can't we ease back into the best of each one and continue the dialog there? Otherwise I think this is just going to get messier... especially since both sides do have very valid points.
But what I do understand is that two different (but related) core issues are being blurred here, as gnuite pointed out, and I think this discussion is just gonna stay wrapped around the axle until the 2 distinct conversations are separated. To reiterate, they are:
-using maemo garage (or alternatives) to manage app development
-using maemo downloads (or alternatives) to make finished apps available to end users
There have already been threads created (and HIGHLY populated) for both topics-- so can't we ease back into the best of each one and continue the dialog there? Otherwise I think this is just going to get messier... especially since both sides do have very valid points.
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2008-05-21
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I'm still confused:
I'm still confused as to why this topic has to polarize. I also don't understand why syndication wasn't a solution.
But what I do understand is that two different (but related) core issues are being blurred here, as gnuite pointed out, and I think this discussion is just gonna stay wrapped around the axle until the 2 distinct conversations are separated. To reiterate, they are:
-using maemo garage (or alternatives) to manage app development
-using maemo downloads (or alternatives) to make finished apps available to end users
There have already been threads created (and HIGHLY populated) for both topics-- so can't we ease back into the best of each one and continue the dialog there? Otherwise I think this is just going to get messier... especially since both sides do have very valid points.
Where is the End-User one-stop shop for downloading developing NumptyPhysics levels, desktop backgrounds, themes, MicroB userstyles, Flash Games etc.?
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2008-05-21
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Originally Posted by dkwatts
Indeed, there isn't one: no-ones been uploading their content to the systems currently available. Having said that, I can see a clear distinction between application software (which may be supported by the author, has distinct versions etc) and user-generated content such as background images.
Where is the End-User one-stop shop for downloading developing NumptyPhysics levels, desktop backgrounds, themes, MicroB userstyles, Flash Games etc.?
Themes are effectively applications, so should be in downloads.maemo.org, as could userstyles (and, if desired, backgrounds or - more likely - collections thereof).
Flash games are a little dangerous: copyright violations are likely to be occurring left, right and centre if they're uploaded to random places.
All of your examples could fit into downloads.maemo.org without requiring too much in the way of a user contortion.
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2008-05-21
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Originally Posted by dkwatts
You bring up a good question, but that still dilutes the subject. Those aren't maemo applications, so if another site hosts them, there isn't any overlap or conflict with existing prescribed resources.
I'm still confused:
Where is the End-User one-stop shop for downloading developing NumptyPhysics levels, desktop backgrounds, themes, MicroB userstyles, Flash Games etc.?
So here we have a legitimate fork, and in my opinion what Reggie proposed would fit the bill specific to that context. At the same time, I believe maemo should be pressured to add support for such things.
EDIT: I see Andrew partially disagrees with me on what constitutes a maemo app. That's fine. I just think that most of what dkwatts listed are support files, not apps-- BUT I do think maemo should broaden to embrace them (not the Flash).
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Last edited by Texrat; 2008-05-21 at 16:43.