Originally Posted by pichlo

Sure he is a troll but there was nothing insulting in that post...

Not everyone lives in cloud-cuckoo land.

But for some reason, Jolla and some of its blind followers still keep closing their eyes from the reality.
Maybe it is good that someone points out the obvious from time to time.

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix

only if they are daft.

Originally Posted by jalyst

Please speak for yourself, this was clearly a jab in response to my post:*





Well, many folks like to think they're the most impartial/wise beings that exist, in reality that's not the case, much of the time.



Russia is a very diff. beast to western countries, they don't operate under international norms & their ground rules are very diff.
In the env. that exists in Russia (& by extension CIS) today, the fact that it's UK-based will be a significant factor in their analysis.
As I said, it's still not possible to call it, though, as there's other significant advantages in Canonical's favour.


*which also could be seen as -somewhat- insulting

Originally Posted by bluefoot

It wasn't aimed at you specifically, but people here generally. They like to ignore the blatantly obvious reality that Jolla / Sailfish is not the first port of call or even a remotely likely one for most OEMs or phone designers, even niche or 'indie' ones.

That Jolla have been forced to Intel's begging bowl is testament to it .. if 'their' reference platform for phones is indeed just the upcoming Rockchip designed Intel one (like the Rockchip designed platform Nokia & Jolla tablets use already), they can kiss China goodbye and indeed any hope of large sales volume. Hopefully they're just making an effort to make Sailfish compatible with said platform from day one (as per likely contractual agreements with Intel), and that if they are pursuing a reference platform it's ARM ... otherwise they'll find themselves further pigeon-holed into an almost microscopic niche.

You greatly exaggerate the level of acerbity in business dealings / corporate matters between the UK and Russia. The two are inextricably linked, particularly when it comes to the vital (to Russia's solvency) oil and gas industry, and to the vast wealth sequestered in the UK by the many Oligarchs (who the Kremlin cannot possibly afford to alienate many more of). Both countries know where their interests lie here.

Relations are much less strained than those between Finland and Russia, on a political level. Certainly, Finnish governmental agencies would be observing a deal or promotion for Jolla/Sailfish much more closely than UK agencies would UP being promoted there.

If there truly is to be a concerted (and official) push away from Android / iOS (and what little market BB has) in Russia, their advisors will immediately tell them that Canonical's software is open-source (no nasty surprises) and they actively avoid involvement with Five Eyes.

Besides, from an official / governmental perspective, their desktop convergence would have to be hugely attractive.

Originally Posted by jalyst

Nah, most here are smart chappies, they're able to see that from what has transpired...



We just don't have the info, there's really no point getting "hot under the collar" at this stage of the game. I really would like to see you argument for why it's "game over" if it's a decent Intel SoC though (remember, no gross assumptions about what it may be). I'm thinking they may be planning a low-end Intel based model, & something slightly higher spec'd in the ARM space, but it's pure speculation.




They don't put all their eggs in the UK, they're not that stupid, they have spread it all over the shop, the UK would be far from the single-most important place for them, there's too much financial oversight & predominance of rule-of-law.



Not true, anyone need only watch the regular coverage of relations between countries in the greater region (pick any vast array of channels), it's patently clear that there's way more tension between the UK & Russia. Finland's a border nation, it's also not a middle-to-upper power like the UK, it's had a far more neutral approach for many years. There are examples where things tip away from that on occasion, but on-balance, there's vastly more mutual understanding & cultural/historical linkages between Finland<->Russia than Russia<->UK, they share a fair bit of infra, too.



You assume that Jolla wouldn't allow a full (& regular) audit of their closed bits by the Russian gov't, wouldn't surprise me if they did. Who actively avoids involvement with five-eyes, Canonical?



There is no convergence, yet, & that's a long ways off, for now...

Originally Posted by endsormeans

Truly National / Cultural "Political" dialogue should not be here at all...

Originally Posted by juiceme

Well what can we do?