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Is there a section to talk about Java ME? Apps, etc. (3)
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2010-04-16
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i dont think you can really charge anyone for free (Open Source) apps with MeeGo.
I have compiled and installed software in an Linux environment before and im sure its also possible with MeeGo.
Maybe if they Tivoize it with the closed Mode, but they *said* this wont happen.
If the Community is active enough, there will be lots of free apps an many HowTos about them.
I have compiled and installed software in an Linux environment before and im sure its also possible with MeeGo.
Maybe if they Tivoize it with the closed Mode, but they *said* this wont happen.
If the Community is active enough, there will be lots of free apps an many HowTos about them.
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2010-04-16
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The companies involved in MeeGo can to a certain degree control the implementation of their version of MeeGo.
For example, Nokia's implementation of MeeGo includes binary-only software (battery management & phone app) and you cannot redistribute the image.
Also correct me if I am wrong, but do you have to enter the IMEI code from your n900 to download the image & agree to a license agreement?
Also the development of the gui part of MeeGo is closed (for the time being)?
I know this all sounds a bit "Richard Stallman" (I might even start playing the flute) but it is something that concerns me.
For example, Nokia's implementation of MeeGo includes binary-only software (battery management & phone app) and you cannot redistribute the image.
Also correct me if I am wrong, but do you have to enter the IMEI code from your n900 to download the image & agree to a license agreement?
Also the development of the gui part of MeeGo is closed (for the time being)?
I know this all sounds a bit "Richard Stallman" (I might even start playing the flute) but it is something that concerns me.
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by GeraldKo
There *is* a reason. You will be able to install (in the DRM mode) only software signed by the manufacturer (at least this is how Harmattan’s security model works). In other words, you will only be able to install commercial stuff that Nokia signed off on. So it’s actually very easy for Nokia to ensure it gets a cut from anything bought, either directly by selling through Ovi or indirectly from a federated store.
Yes, but there's no reason that the Ovi store will be a monopoly for MeeGo apps.
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2010-04-16
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At some point in the future I will upgrade my n900.
One of my main criteria is "How open is it?" - I want control over the device I bought and not relinquish that basic right to a corporation.
If I buy a MeeGo device I want one where all the source code (of MeeGo) is available and where development is performed out in the open.
I hate to say it but Intel's version fits that criteria more than Nokia.
However Intel insist on the minimum requirement of a SSSE3-enabled processor. Older computers need not apply. These kind of systems would benefit enormously, save a few from the "land fill" and be more environmentally friendly.
Last edited by johnel; 2010-04-16 at 08:11. Reason: That's SSSE3 not SSE3 - thanks Attila77 I always make that mistake!
One of my main criteria is "How open is it?" - I want control over the device I bought and not relinquish that basic right to a corporation.
If I buy a MeeGo device I want one where all the source code (of MeeGo) is available and where development is performed out in the open.
I hate to say it but Intel's version fits that criteria more than Nokia.
However Intel insist on the minimum requirement of a SSSE3-enabled processor. Older computers need not apply. These kind of systems would benefit enormously, save a few from the "land fill" and be more environmentally friendly.
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Last edited by johnel; 2010-04-16 at 08:11. Reason: That's SSSE3 not SSE3 - thanks Attila77 I always make that mistake!
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by attila77
On the DRM side does this theoretically mean there would be various storefronts from different manufacturers with DRM restricting the use on a different branded device?
There *is* a reason. You will be able to install (in the DRM mode) only software signed by the manufacturer (at least this is how Harmattan’s security model works).
I would really like it if they embrace the Android model of one market place.
Of course Nokia's case is unique in that they have their own services like music and maybe even 1st party apps
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by johnel
For better or worse, it's not that surprising since Intel is in the hardware business, and Nokia is moving towards a services based business.
I hate to say it but Intel's version fits that criteria more than Nokia.
However Intel insist on the minimum requirement of a SSE3-enabled processor. Older computers need not apply. These kind of systems would benefit enormously, save a few from the "land fill" and be more environmentally friendly.
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by Odd_gunnic
It was stated that the stores would be federated. This means that you would see one source/store on your device, but the actual content/apps could be coming from different places. With the DRM mechanism mentioned above the manufacturer can ensure only content they want gets sold/run on a particular device. Note that this means nothing with regard to the OPEN mode - it's not the manufacturer that is potentially depraving you but the publisher of the software (as he makes the business choice of what distribution channel he will use and in what mode will its software install).
On the DRM side does this theoretically mean there would be various storefronts from different manufacturers with DRM restricting the use on a different branded device?
I would really like it if they embrace the Android model of one market place.
Of course Nokia's case is unique in that they have their own services like music and maybe even 1st party apps
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2010-04-16
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Originally Posted by attila77
It really depends on what "terms & conditions" you have to sign when you publish an app.
It was stated that the stores would be federated. This means that you would see one source/store on your device, but the actual content/apps could be coming from different places. With the DRM mechanism mentioned above the manufacturer can ensure only content they want gets sold/run on a particular device. Note that this means nothing with regard to the OPEN mode - it's not the manufacturer that is potentially depraving you but the publisher of the software (as he makes the business choice of what distribution channel he will use and in what mode will its software install).
E.g. "You agree not to sell the application via other distribution channels", "...sell the application for a lower price elsewhere.."
Then again we can speculate all we like I just hope there are not any "gotchas" until things are released.
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Originally Posted by johnel
Yes, bad wording on my part, I meant publisher as in distributor, whoever has the DRM keys, e.g. Vodafone, Ovi, etc, not the development studio that actually makes the app.
It really depends on what "terms & conditions" you have to sign when you publish an app.
E.g. "You agree not to sell the application via other distribution channels", "...sell the application for a lower price elsewhere.."
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