Originally Posted by JulmaHerra

This is unfortunately true, at least to some extent.

However, I still believe that partly open sourcing, or dual/triple licensing Sailfish OS could be a wise move. Nemo and Mer are a bit far from functional product people use every day so it's no wonder there is limited interest in them even if effort put into them also benefits Sailfish. Mere licensing change won't cut it though, there would need to be an infrastructure and processes to support co-development, accepting patches, documentation etc. And of course there is the hurdle with some parts being kept out of public (in regard to future products, etc). But still, IMO it would be the best way, now that the foundation and UI is more or less solid.

Originally Posted by nestori

a promise that a new Jolla phone is on the way, a promise that the india thingy will be done

Originally Posted by itdoesntmatt

EDIT: after a research of story and how bitcoin and cryptocurrencies works i decided to not use it for an ethical reason.

All those cryptovalues, have been made in a way that simply let only the first group of pionieers to earn big money. then, with progressive rise of complexity for mining bitcoin, it is very difficoult to make money with them. So is the same, bad story. As for the finacial system, a little group of people create something, take the big part of value and then simply throw bones to the others poor wolves, who fight each other for them. No real value associated with the currency (for example, if a coin is made of gold, it has got a value in itself). Just like Euro or USD, where coin itself doesnt worth so much, but its value is only in possibility to be changed for service/product.
I was interested in cryptocurrencies just cause they represented , at least for me, a new way of payment, anonymous, free (or with low fee) and not centralized. A way to escape from the bank/finance system wich is made only to dominate people and using a lot of people just to give power to a little group of creators of that system.
Instead i have found that my dreams have to vanish, cause Bitcoin and other cryptomoney is just like the same (very dishuman and selfish, unfortunately) trick to scam other human beings, but in a new shapes, a digital dress for covering the old same bad intention. it's the wish to **** our brothers but 2.0
and there is more, that make cryptocurrencies worst than normal, classic, dumb money and that, at least for myself, destroy the advantage of anonymity and decentralization of money:
the so called mining cryptomoney, forcing SHA256, require PC/HW going on 24/7 just in order to obtain new blocks: this require a big amount of Energy and electricity, but creates no real value, no real products,no real happyness. And it give rise to a new form of pollution and waste of energy.

to sum up, is just a wolf in sheep's clothing, and based on exploitation/betrayal of modern (and justified) desire of not being controlled and spyed.

I Am so sorry with this, but I am not gonna to sell my soul and my principles, and my ethic for money.
Sorry for the OT, but i am really disappointed by the eternal recurrence of human's evil perversion to use other (human or not) beings for own purposes.

just to understand:
http://www.businessinsider.com/927-p...s-2013-12?IR=T

Originally Posted by szopin

tl;dr if I jumped on the crypto bandwagon early I would be alright with it, but because I learned about it when I need to invest 5k$ just to mine a bit, seems like a scam, doesn't matter it is the cheapest way to transfer money between people and it was that from the start, some people mined, scammers all of them, I'd rather pay 30 pounds to send over 20$, because I was late to the party, usefulness of the solution is not important. ethical reasons, not being jealous, not at all, srsly

edit: you can be ethically against gold rush and oil rush, nobody cares, bitcoin rush is over, but you can still try your luck with things like dogecoin and other crypto alternatives, maybe they are less to your ethics as you can still invest in them (though just like when bitcoin tanked 75%, don't expect too much, it works great as a currency to avoid bank taxes, if you're into investing and hoping to reap huge profits, go ahead, it is volatile as sh..)

Originally Posted by endsormeans

Agreed.
My solution (which some may find not to be any solution at all...but I disagree on this since the other options are not rational)
is withdrawal.
Withdrawal from such "civilized" madness.
Every time some aspect becomes polluted ....to a saturated point.
I withdraw.
Protesting does nothing.
Half a century ago and further back protesting had effect.
Revolt? No. Rebellion? Upset? No. I don't believe it worth it ...
What has been the result?
Violence...deaths...horrible upheavals of all kinds
And I cannot say that things have ended up better for humanity as a whole as a consequence.

The machinery of the systems humanity has set up work very well.
At best...the laws protect the worst villains and are set up to stymie and impoverish in the process (if the the poor People are not people any longer ...they are consumers.
Humanity has been groomed and steered to this direction.
It is reflected right down to how much of society really are interested in maemo or Jolla or ..whatever alternatives.
It is about convenience.
How convenient things are.
And the choice.
Civilization has chosen.
Choice of a glass or thermos of water from the faucet (meaning responsible care and caretaking of our water resources)
over
the choice of plastic bottled water which end up in garbage, landfills, and littering everywhere, not to mention contaminates the water in said plastic bottles with A.G.E.'s sickening it's consumers and everyone else at a cost.
And not just that health cost.
How about the cost to geographic areas and the people in them where these corporations come in and drain the aquifers dry and then move on...
to supply the lazy and indolent with bottled water.
Or.. financially....the costs at the base of it all.
the cost to produce 1 plastic bottle with water in it is the equivalent of the energy cost to purify 10 000 glasses water you get from the tap.
So where is the sanity?
It isn't about sanity....it's about immediate gratification and convenience.

Change only occurs to appease and to continue the milking of the consumer. If at all possible ...Lie to the consumer that real change has taken effect. (ie- volkswagon....the "green revolution" - there has been quite an unmasking on this of many corporations ..Canada's own broadcaster has uncovered in many exposing shows -such as "Marketplace" ...and there are many other examples as well of such flim-flammery ..)

So yeah...
I don't believe your upset is anymore than that.
Others may view it as ranting...
I don't believe your upset is any more a rant than mine.
It is just that.
Upset.
Solutions?
I believe solutions are a personal matter.
Expecting, hoping, or usage of energy to effect change will result in bad feelings.
Better to change ones own direction and be happy with that.
That is cope-able ...do-able ...
A depressing solution?
Naw.
One of the few actual quotes supposedly from christ was a question posed asking whether he felt there was hope for humanity...
His supposed answer was ...
No not a hope for humanity at all..
But he believed individuals had better than a hope...
He thought there was a great deal of hope for the individual...
And Christ wasn't the only guy to have said as much.
So to end my very long post.
Do your best by yourself and those around you.
And be as happy as you possibly can be.
More than that is asking far too much of an individual.
Peace, happiness, lotsa turkey, rum and egg nog ...