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#3131
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
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Remember that the plan is to start a crowdfunding campaign to widen the audience and get new customers when completion of the project is secured and only depends on the final number of backers/price per backer, not just count on those few that decided to invest years in advance on the more risky steps. I'm not saying it will be easy or work, but it's not the same as what your message would suggest.
 

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#3132
I am waiting for official statements regarding the state of the project.
when the project leader is no longer the project leader...
who the hell is?
who is to be held accountable in the neo team now then?
there was a great deal of money thrown at this project by a lot of people..
accruing a good chunk of interest...
where is it?
Has an official statement of expenditures been posted and issued to the pre order investors at any time ? that I was informed of?
As the "employers" of this project, we do have a right to see the books ...since we are funding it .
So where is the email of that ?
I didn't get one.
Where is the url for it..point me to it..and I will happily go and see it.
The fiscal responsibility also needs to be clarified.

this project has leaned heavily on statements of being clear and transparent...
It doesn't appear that way when the books are not available to those funding the endeavor, when no one knows the state of the project, team leader, how many are still committed to purchasing an end device...
It is far from clear and open and transparent...in process.

If the project is as has been said...a "success" ...
the r+d is priceless and will continue ..great..hurray...
But those who have pre ordered are out of luck...
then it isn't a success from the standpoint of those who pre ordered.
"the operation was a success, but the patient died" is more like.

Clear..official statements...
Clear official answers.


I am waiting for official statements.
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#3133
@endsormeans I get your point and understand you there should be an offical statement.
But as the past has showed us, in this thread there will be no statement released anymore and when then it is to late. I don't know the reason why, I could interpret and analyse alot into this behaviour.

So the best is to contact them with irc and see if you get an reply. There you could ask about your questions. And I guess when many people ask there, they are foced to make a statement. To get rid of the question and concentrate on the project

In principle this thread is not useful anymore because no one who should listen is here. So questions or future ideas should go to irc as far as I understand. Or am I wrong?
 

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#3134
Oh they may or may not state anything here...
that doesn't make it any more official a statement than an irc conversation.

I am waiting for an official statement on their official website.



And as far as "a crowd funding campaign" goes..

even by the outdated timeline ...we are way past that ...and into orders.
http://neo900.org/static/plan.png
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Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
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#3135
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
when the project leader is no longer the project leader...
who the hell is?
who is to be held accountable in the neo team now then?
As far as I know it is still Joerg but it is no more his fulltime job.
 

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That is fine...whoever the hell it is..
clarification of many things needs to happen...
has been needing it for quite some time.
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PIMP MY N8X0
Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
 

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#3137
Originally Posted by Halftux View Post
Due to the lag of people for publishing news this is not the right place to get some.
The only place is irc chat right now.
(ITYM "lack". Lag is quite a different thing.)

I have tried really hard to stay away from the discussion as I have already resigned and waved goodbye to my contribution (no, I do not want a refund, I allowed it to get lost in one of the countless "move the money" exercises, so now not even Zarquon knows where it is). But the above statement has really stuck a needle in my posterior.

What!!!???? "This is not the right place"? Excuse me???

THIS is where the project was announced.
THIS is where all the initial discussion took place.
THIS is where most of the discussion STILL takes place, sans the people who really matter - the project team.

If there is any place more right than any to look for updates, it is HERE.
Second best is the Neo900 website.
Both are eerily devoid of any updates. The latter even still offers to put down a "down payment" in its "shop" as if the project just started yesterday and is expected to deliver tomorrow.

IRC is patently NOT a good platform for publishing updates.
In fact, it is one of the worst platforms for that kind of thing.
Anyone who cannot be ar$ed to provide proper updates in a place where most people expect them and forces you to scramble for scraps of information here and there is telling you loud and clear what kind of regard he has for you.

Originally Posted by Kabouik View Post
...a crowdfunding campaign...
Oh yes, the crowdfunding. The inconspicuous transition from "we are fully committed and guarantee the delivery in the given time frame or your money back" to "nothing is guaranteed, don't ever complain". I don't know about you, but I lost the last remaining shreds of any confidence in the project the moment the word "crowdfunding" was mentioned.
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#3138
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
(ITYM "lack". Lag is quite a different thing.)
There is also a "lag" though, as it takes a long time for news to reach here

The rest of your post made me laugh out loud, couldn't agree more. If the project is not dead, then you need to actively communicate with your backers.

In fact, you need to do that even if it is dead (*cough* youyota tablet *cough*) just to give people closure.
 

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#3139
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
(ITYM "lack". Lag is quite a different thing.)
Sorry, but good that you understand me and know what I meant.


Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
What!!!???? "This is not the right place"? Excuse me???

THIS is where the project was announced.
THIS is where all the initial discussion took place.
THIS is where most of the discussion STILL takes place, sans the people who really matter - the project team.
I make observation and give only hints for helping you to get your question get answered.
And my hint is, this should be the right place but it seems it is not anymore the right place.
I have nothing to do with it and not responsible. It is my view and not any decision of mine. It is the conclusion of observation!!

You are talking to walls and I want to point you to a place where maybe ears are alive.

These are my last words and sorry for my horrible english. At least I could make people happy with it.

Good luck and live in peace.
 

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Joerg is still leader, and a significant improvement to the situation if I understood correctly the last news in March is that Privateinternetaccess (PIA) has hired him and agreed to let him devote part of his work time in the Neo900 project. While this means he has less hours in a day to work on the Neo900, it also means that he *can* work on the project and is actually supported for that. After years into the project and the acknowledgement that the hardware won't be bleeding edge regarding today's performance standards, I am all for this trade-off that ensures he can continue to work on the project and doesn't have to abandon it all of the sudden because all resources are depleted in food supplies and electricity bills over the years. Our down payments can be more focused on sourcing parts and paying production batches.

http://neo900.org/news/joerg-pia-2018-03-01

By the way, the discount to Neo900 backers from PIA really is encouraging. A company has deemed the Neo900 project relevant and wants to support both its leader and its backers, despite the very limited visibility this extremely small community brings to them in return.

Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
And as far as "a crowd funding campaign" goes..

even by the outdated timeline ...we are way past that ...and into orders.
http://neo900.org/static/plan.png
Not yet, we're still in partial orders since down payments are still open to new backers, and orders (crowdfunding: https://neo900.org/news/neo900-update-2017-07-18) will happen next when the final prototype (v3) is done. This news is now one year old, but it replies to some of your questions regarding the current resources, albeit a bit vague.

What I think would be more useful at this point is getting information on the progress on prototypes v2 and v3, since they were already mentioned last year, the layout for v2 is done, and v3 is the keystone for the crowdfunding step.

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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Oh yes, the crowdfunding. The inconspicuous transition from "we are fully committed and guarantee the delivery in the given time frame or your money back" to "nothing is guaranteed, don't ever complain". I don't know about you, but I lost the last remaining shreds of any confidence in the project the moment the word "crowdfunding" was mentioned.
Yes, I remember that this keyword brought a lot of confusion in this thread when it was first used. However, let's be pragmatic, it really is a good idea and probably the best way to maximize chances that the product can be delivered in the end, and minimize the costs in case of failures:

- Start a crowdfunding campaign featuring a working prototype v3, i.e., the final product before batch production; if this prototype ever happens one day, then it proves the project can be completed as long as people buy it, and that investments are not investments anymore, but real orders
- Set a goal that covers costs for the minimal production
- Let people back the project at either the max price (minimal production) or reduced price (bigger production), making it clear that the reduced price is only possible if the following streach goal is satisfied
- Set a stretch goal corresponding to a lower per unit cost if the production is bigger, and offer a discount to all backers that chose the max price option if this goal is reached
- Check the option in the kickstarter/indiegogo plan to give the money back to backers if the goal is not reached (failure = no loss for anyone)

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