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2017-07-24
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Thank you Dave! I appreciate that! Yes they are indeed very expensive, to get an industrial standard product with the top spec and quality and unique features it needs a huge amount of invest. To give you an idea a mediocre MTK mid-end bar phone without OS work will cost probably half a million USD investment. We are using Qualcomm, with the best parts I can get, and with a slider. This is why I am trying to save money everywhere.
Chen, how far have you come with plans related to the hwside of things. I dont want to rain on your parade here but thin phone, duel CAMs, duel sim, to found an existing design or everything from scratch? I support you, I do. But have you done any estimation of cost? To me this Sounds like a really expensive undertaking.
I have kicked off mechanical engineering work. Also will publish complete detailed specs soon. (No TM here, I'm just check for a few availabilities of components, and evaluating how much better we can achieve...)
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2017-07-24
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
I hold my opinion here:
IMO, AOSP should be the OS of choice to ship the device with but are there really enough people wanting a HW keyboard for such a project to be feasible? Also what use does a HW keyboard have on Android?
Virtual keyboards coupled with slim devices mean HW keyboard devices have very little in upside vs the downside of no predictive text, thicker and heavier device etc.
Even with Android, HW keyboard does have a lot use, for example, under Android 7's split screen, with on screen keyboard it's almost useless because your on-screen keyboard would block almost both contents, but with HW keyboard user can type in one app while look at another, like typing while reading web, this is a huge difference.
And HW keyboard is more accurate and without the fluff of autocorrection, and free up screen content. To me it make a phone phone.
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2017-07-24
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I know it's just a dream but having something like Blackberry's touch enabled keyboard would be amazing 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c30sSM1Ulc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c30sSM1Ulc
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2017-07-24
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Originally Posted by chenliangchen
Don't forget notification led and FM-transmitter! What is your timetable? I mean projects are usually delayed.. for example http://www.puzzlephone.com/blog-read...ng-episode-ii/
Thank you Dave! I appreciate that! Yes they are indeed very expensive, to get an industrial standard product with the top spec and quality and unique features it needs a huge amount of invest. To give you an idea a mediocre MTK mid-end bar phone without OS work will cost probably half a million USD investment. We are using Qualcomm, with the best parts I can get, and with a slider. This is why I am trying to save money everywhere.
I have kicked off mechanical engineering work. Also will publish complete detailed specs soon. (No TM here, I'm just check for a few availabilities of components, and evaluating how much better we can achieve...)
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2017-07-24
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Originally Posted by chenliangchen
Another thing is that if the keyboard is touch sensitive (not sure that it is) you could use that to scroll up and down on an app without blocking the view.
I hold my opinion here:
Even with Android, HW keyboard does have a lot use, for example, under Android 7's split screen, with on screen keyboard it's almost useless because your on-screen keyboard would block almost both contents, but with HW keyboard user can type in one app while look at another, like typing while reading web, this is a huge difference.
And HW keyboard is more accurate and without the fluff of autocorrection, and free up screen content. To me it make a phone phone.
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2017-07-24
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
What I meant by that is what the BB keyboard is like, they are physical buttons, but you can stroke them to scroll up and down on the display.
Yuck. Give me proper buttons any day
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2017-07-24
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Originally Posted by nh1402
Like the blackberry nipple thing? I had a BB curve and the damn thing wouldn't stop scrolling up and to the right. And that was quite a high end product that must have undergone lots of testing. I wouldn't near anything like it again.
What I meant by that is what the BB keyboard is like, they are physical buttons, but you can stroke them to scroll up and down on the display.
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2017-07-24
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
No. The keys register swipes up and down. It's actually done quite well and rather unobtrusive to regular typing. No extra hardware required.
Like the blackberry nipple thing? I had a BB curve and the damn thing wouldn't stop scrolling up and to the right. And that was quite a high end product that must have undergone lots of testing. I wouldn't near anything like it again.
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As for Moto Z - it seems to be more a phablet than the average smartphone so having a bit smaller device (~5" ?) might encourage also those who do not prefer big devices.
The next alternative (not mentioned here) - Motorola Photon Q has built-in on motherboard SIM card so to use it out of USA Sprint needs soldering in the SIM slot which is not acceptable for many of the potential customers. LTE doesn't work outside of the North America too.
Beside that, newer Android versions are getting heavier and heavier so improvement in CPU/GPU/RAM would always be welcome for the potential consumers (even though the custom ROMs for the existing devices are still being released).
There seems to be some niche. Not sure how big, though.
Last edited by mp107; 2017-07-24 at 13:43.