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2019-09-06 , 20:56
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Originally Posted by shaihkritzer View Post
that what's I'm talking about. if person is bad at marketing, he shouldn't try to do it, at least for business. why not hire a properly trained expert for marketing? I'm completely worthless as a ballet dancer, but I'm not going to the opera theater and perform worse ballet ever, afterwards telling spectators that they shouldn't visit theater if they don't like my dance.

I don't think explaining this project fails with typical crowdfunding issues is correct. it's not crowdfunded so when the team made a decision of leaving crowdfunding way and proceed with typical retail way, typical crowdfunding issues are no longer take part.

events are fine, but one can't organize events in every country and city, and remaining folks keep in touch at forum... where they're adviced to leave because being a troll...


I'd consider all of the listed above as minor issues if I'd be sure that device availability won't be limited enough I'll miss it if I'm not buying in one of first batches. as far as this problem is understandable now, I guess the production quantity is affected by first batches sales success, in simple words: would they earn enough to keep production going. if so, I have no clue when is it too late to be in time to buy a brand new unit. so I can't do same as major manufacturers stuff: wait like 6 months for price to drop (or at least to earn enough).
TMO is not a customer support forum, and we should be glad that Chen is talking with us here. As for device availability, I doubt even the fxtec team knows for sure so all we can do is hope. If you are very worried of missing out on the device I would advice to pre-order, if however you are more worried about issues maybe it's better to wait it out and see how it all comes along. Being an early adopter always has some risk in many ways, not only customer support, devices could have quirks etc. This is true even if you buy shamesung or pony phone too, so far the Pro1 has come a lot further than the folding slabs Shamesung and Huawei are pushing.
 

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#2162
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer View Post
that what's I'm talking about. if person is bad at marketing, he shouldn't try to do it, at least for business. why not hire a properly trained expert for marketing? I'm completely worthless as a ballet dancer, but I'm not going to the opera theater and perform worse ballet ever, afterwards telling spectators that they shouldn't visit theater if they don't like my dance.

I don't think explaining this project fails with typical crowdfunding issues is correct. it's not crowdfunded so when the team made a decision of leaving crowdfunding way and proceed with typical retail way, typical crowdfunding issues are no longer take part.

events are fine, but one can't organize events in every country and city, and remaining folks keep in touch at forum... where they're adviced to leave because being a troll...


I'd consider all of the listed above as minor issues if I'd be sure that device availability won't be limited enough I'll miss it if I'm not buying in one of first batches. as far as this problem is understandable now, I guess the production quantity is affected by first batches sales success, in simple words: would they earn enough to keep production going. if so, I have no clue when is it too late to be in time to buy a brand new unit. so I can't do same as major manufacturers stuff: wait like 6 months for price to drop (or at least to earn enough).
again, WTF????? For every issue or question we had, Chen personally explained why it is what it is. No proper marketing guy would ever do that. They would feed you with false promises and high expectations. We have enough of that. Those kind of marketing people created a bunch of *****s who can't think but just blindly believe. And paying for turds and gimmicks. Now even vertical TVs are a product
And all this just because you can't afford it now and no one can guarantee that it will be available later? Really? How is your FOMO their fault? They were very transparent thus far and if all you have against are actually minor issues, than maybe you should have a little more faith in the project instead of spreading the negative vibes for no real reasons except your personal ones that does not allow you to get the device right now.
 

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#2163
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since we have an AMOLED screen, is there any info about pulse width modulation? I've heard about some people having their eyes tired while working with AMOLED _not being at full backlight level_. can this be an issue with Pro1 too? usually they claim that screen flickering/shimmering is a problem for _any_ AMOLED / OLED and if you want to avoid this - choose IPS. any thoughts?
I forgot where but there is a photo or video somewhere apparently taken with a fast shutter speed showing diagonal bands on the screen of a Pro1 indicating it indeed does PWM to dim the display (as you'd expect). Most AMOLED are modulated at 240hz so that's my best guess at the frequency. Personally haven't had any issues staring at AMOLED screens and the likes, although i can perceive it when waving a hand in front (instead of a smooth motion blur i will see stepped type motion blur ish something, if that makes sense).

If this concerns you it's important to know most LCD displays also use PWM to dim the backlight and on some LED backlights that does translate into flickering light, and sadly manufacturers generally will not tell you whether or not this is the case so it can be tricky to find the right thing to buy. The same issue exists if you buy LED light bulbs, and there it does bother me sometimes (not that I get headaches or so but I find it not pleasing to my eyes)... Edit: additionally for LED bulbs for room lighting, they usually flicker at 100/120hz which makes the effect more perceptible.
 

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#2164
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer View Post
since we have an AMOLED screen, is there any info about pulse width modulation? I've heard about some people having their eyes tired while working with AMOLED _not being at full backlight level_. can this be an issue with Pro1 too? usually they claim that screen flickering/shimmering is a problem for _any_ AMOLED / OLED and if you want to avoid this - choose IPS. any thoughts?
I'll try to answer My Opinion, shortly, about AMOLED... I have use N9 at the first day Nokia delivered it... And no problem at all... My friends are still envy for me, cause their phones looks so bad against N9... even today... So I don't think AMOLED is not bad at all...

And yes... I did not preorder cause I don't afford Pro1 now... But I still support it.

And I will buy it. When afford... Seeya...
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"okay, let's proceed with some productive stuff."

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAAAAA

That is rich.
Love it.

Two thousand, two hundred and (now) sixty five posts of comparison, a seeming endless slew of questions for the OP, pure speculation, pining for the fjords, and pointless debate.

yes ...
it would be interesting to see some "productivity" come of this thread ...
so far ...
What I have seen here ...
so far ...
is killing time, amusement and purely masturbatory ....
diverting FROM actual productivity.

I tend to rank "productivity" up there with ...sayyyy what Halftux, Freemangordon, Wizzup, Android 808, Kotczarny, a slew of others who are actually "Productive" ...and last but certainly not least ..
Maemish..
(I am positive the guy is falling off his chair reading that...
but ....since he arrived here...
regardless of failure or success....
he is 10 000 times more "productive" in his little pinkie finger ......... in comparison to the "productivity" of the last 227 pages of this ego-stroking tripe )

So yeah...
I would realllllyyyyyy like to see what "productive stuff" is going to happen in this thread..
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#2166
I would like to point out 3 things, focusing on "productivity".
1. This is TMO
2. We are halfway through 2019
3. We are talking about a device that is interesting for like 10 guys that cant use software keyboards
So come on man.. Lets just all sit back and enjoy this rare ocasion, this rich 'quality material' that forums used to have 10 years ago!
The whole point is to have fun

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Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
So yeah...
I would realllllyyyyyy like to see what "productive stuff" is going to happen in this thread..
Pity you had no chance to come to the very productive Hands-On events of which some originated from this thread to convince yourself otherwise.

Also you must have missed that Chen took actual advice sparking here and at the meetings into production.

But the productivity you quote is not even the purpose of this thread but a mere hookline used by shaihkritzer to draw a red line under previous grime.
Please do not fuel a fire that was put out.

This thread was ment as a collection of news and facts. Like the Press articles and videos that currently happen during IFA.
where i can proudly tell that all the guys i sent my inofficial press release to have already attended and pushed a video. Like heise & golem.
Not saying they would not have attended anyway, but still feels awesome and rewarding.

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...o-4516077.html

https://www.golem.de/news/fx-tec-pro...09-143673.html

Also since FX own forum is sadly in a unusable state for discussion (posts need to be manually approved for some reason) many interested people land here and ask questions.
I would kindly ask you to endure the chaos for some more time until the birth problems ease up.
What we are doing here is 0 level support for FX.
Chen mentioned it would be valuable if simple questions do not clog FX support. So here we are trying to answer.

Moar press links copied from Discord:

Trustedreviews
https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...a-2019-3935005

Pocket-lint
https://www.pocket-lint.com/phones/n...aunch-preorder

Digitaltrend
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...eyboard-phone/

The next web
https://thenextweb.com/plugged/2019/...hones-in-2019/

XDA
https://www.xda-developers.com/fxtec...ical-keyboard/

mobiletechtalk
https://mobiletechtalk.co.uk/fxtec-l...board-ifa2019/

TBLT.de
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_dDu6IgOkU

Techkrams (DE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebe5s6Ej7-A

mobiFlip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-0yyxwZW6Y

Tech Travel Geeks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDwunNzsjLM

Tweakers (NL) video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdFGrA1-w0

Tweakers (NL) article
https://tweakers.net/reviews/7326/f(...ootloader.html

ValueTechTV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjeANKv21h8

mobilenet.cz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d1z5A35K-U

SMARTmania.cz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf0JwQ5pNQ4

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1. This is TMO
Sorry, could not resist
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Originally Posted by mosen View Post
Sorry, could not resist
You forgot " I "

Sorry OT
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I'll try to answer My Opinion, shortly, about AMOLED... I have use N9 at the first day Nokia delivered it... And no problem at all... My friends are still envy for me, cause their phones looks so bad against N9... even today... So I don't think AMOLED is not bad at all...
This is very subjective, some people have eyes that go really sore on AMOLED.
I also had several N9's and I think it has really good display, however I have one colleague who cannot stand to Iook at it (and he also has trouble with video projectors, the rainbow wheel effect makes him sick...)

I just suppose his optical nerve is faster than usual.
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