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Is there a section to talk about Java ME? Apps, etc. (7)
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Originally Posted by shmerl
Exactly, as they are a company with proven record they will deliver. But you still are not an investor in Jolla to dictate how they work, or how they make their donation campaigns work. Seriously, only thing you bought is 'cheaper price if we deliver a tablet', not moral high ground to preach about MS being bad and how you would solve world problems with that kind of money
But there is pledge and mutual trust. Break that trust, and you might be legally OK, but you'll lose respect and next time will get no support.
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2014-12-02
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Anyway, we can debate indefinitely whether it's a good or bad idea to introduce controversial stretch goals in the middle of the campaign, but it doesn't really make a difference now - Jolla already commented that they'll address this somehow. So let's wait and see.
Disagreed. Crowdfunding backers are investors. Otherwise they can just buy the product when it's out already. Paying in advance for a non existing project is an investment, not a purchase.
But you still are not an investor in Jolla to dictate how they work
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2014-12-02
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Originally Posted by shmerl
Merriam-Webster:
Anyway, we can debate indefinitely whether it's a good or bad idea to introduce controversial stretch goals in the middle of the campaign, but it doesn't really make a difference now - Jolla already commented that they'll address this somehow. So let's wait and see.
Disagreed. Crowdfunding backers are investors. Otherwise they can just buy the product when it's out already. Paying in advance for a non existing project is an investment, not a purchase.
Definition of INVESTMENT
: the outlay of money usually for income or profit : capital outlay; also : the sum invested or the property purchased
If you unusually (unlike?) invest to have no income or profit, then investment it is. For all other purposes it is a donation for which they promise to deliver something in return
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2014-12-02
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Originally Posted by szopin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment
Merriam-Webster:
Definition of INVESTMENT
: the outlay of money usually for income or profit : capital outlay; also : the sum invested or the property purchased
If you unusually (unlike?) invest to have no income or profit, then investment it is. For all other purposes it is a donation for which they promise to deliver something in return
Investment is time, energy, or matter spent in the hope of future benefits actualized within a specified date or time frame.
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2014-12-02
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Originally Posted by shmerl
Acceptable to you but it will not be acceptable to the majority of people wondering why they are being asked to pay for an advertised feature that is not an additional cost on any other platform.
Acceptable approach was proposed in the request on TJC already. I.e. an option for those who need exFAT to buy it as a paid add-on.
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2014-12-02
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Originally Posted by shmerl
future benefits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment
I don't see any contradiction. Crowdfunding backers invest into the project, in hope of actualizing it / advancing some technology and so on. They are perfectly investors.
Being able to consume exFAT cards of your friends without a hassle for you is not a benefit. You use this definition very weirdly
Love how you skipped the next three sentences:
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Investment has different meanings in economics and finance. In economics, investment is the accumulation of newly produced physical entities, such as factories, machinery, houses, and goods inventories. In finance, investment is putting money into an asset with the expectation of capital appreciation, dividends, and/or interest earnings.
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2014-12-02
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Originally Posted by aegis
First of all no such feature was advertised, until this goal was added. Secondly, majority is a strong claim here without easy way to back it up. It's enough to say there is significant disagreement on this, so this issue is controversial.
Acceptable to you but it will not be acceptable to the majority of people wondering why they are being asked to pay for an advertised feature that is not an additional cost on any other platform.
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2014-12-02
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Originally Posted by shmerl
Wow, strong claim, 85% of this totally unscientific poll claim (ignore missing verb, it is added in the first post twice):
First of all no such feature was advertised, until this goal was added. Secondly, majority is a strong claim here without easy way to back it up. It's enough to say there is significant disagreement on this, so this issue is controversial.
Yes, absolutely;I do not mind them to add it;Undecided/do not care
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94236
And this is on open source fanatics forum
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2014-12-02
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Is it me or is the debate basically going in circles for the last five pages ? 
BTW, my take on these things:
BTW, my take on these things:
- both the level one and level two stretch goals are rather lackluster
- if Jolla really wants to be #unlike, the stretch goals should be something more ambitious, rather than basically buying a software license and confirming implementation of a feature that has been already largely expected
- there are tons of well liked, reasonable ambitious and maybe also less controversial suggestions to choose from
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