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So what?
It's something legally sold, I don't see a problem...
The point is that as soon as you use a way of communication you leave a trace, so to avoid being spied you should avoid communicating...
If you fight for your own rights you must be prepared to face challenging events, not complain that some neutral foreign company sold something that could make your fight more complex...
Beside when there was no cell phone technology... heck even when there was no telephony at all, no technology, spies were used, so one way or another the risk of being controlled has always been present...
It's something legally sold, I don't see a problem...
The point is that as soon as you use a way of communication you leave a trace, so to avoid being spied you should avoid communicating...
If you fight for your own rights you must be prepared to face challenging events, not complain that some neutral foreign company sold something that could make your fight more complex...
Beside when there was no cell phone technology... heck even when there was no telephony at all, no technology, spies were used, so one way or another the risk of being controlled has always been present...
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2009-06-22
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Originally Posted by JustNick
i envy you.
So what?
It's something legally sold, I don't see a problem...
another source is
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html
German speaking readers can try
http://derstandard.at/fs/12444611466...scher-Konzerne
The problem that we face (at least in europe) is that right now, governments in germany, france and other european countries are restricting free internet access under very dubious excuses (child pornography, copyrights,...).
whatever the technology behind this is and whoever (legally) sells them is irrelevant.
we will see these mechanisms turn against citizens for political reasons, i tell you so. (actually, the whole "intellectual property"-propaganda already is a political thing).
don't only look at what's happening in iran. the same thing's starting in western europe. (and to be honest, i don't care at all if the technical infrastructure is by nokia or siemens or mcdonald's... i just don't want this kind of thing to happen at all.)
EDIT I: it seems nokia no longer sells the technology used in iran; they sold the whole business to the munich based company Perusa Partners in march 2009.
EDIT II: interesting that a nokia siemens spokesperson didn't even deny the deal with the regime in teheran, stating that this is the internationally accepted way to fight "child pornography, terrorism and drugs". - see?
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2009-06-22
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Originally Posted by benny1967
THAT is the problem: the use of technology, not technology itself.
The problem that we face (at least in europe) is that right now, governments in germany, france and other european countries are restricting free internet access under very dubious excuses (child pornography, copyrights,...).
whatever the technology behind this is and whoever (legally) sells them is irrelevant.
we will see these mechanisms turn against citizens for political reasons, i tell you so. (actually, the whole "intellectual property"-propaganda already is a political thing).
don't only look at what's happening in iran. the same thing's starting in western europe. (and to be honest, i don't care at all if the technical infrastructure is by nokia or siemens or mcdonald's... i just don't want this kind of thing to happen at all.)
My answer was mostly directed to the title of the thread itself: Nokia Spy Technology? Not really...
Freedom comes with limits, sometimes there's somebody who thinks there's too much freedom, sometimes there's somebody who wants more of it...
Technology, (like weapons), is just something that can be used to achieve freedom, to defend it or to reduce or even suppress it.
I can see what you're talking about, I live in Italy and sure we don't have much to be happy for, still when somebody points out that with all the technology there is in our lives it's like we're always spied, I usually reply that the problem is not technology but the use people make of it.
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2009-06-22
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Well, I have another book to wish for!
For a long time I've been wanting to see the (defunct) Bush Administration rewrite The Gulag Archipelago, explaining that many treatments of prisoners mentioned in that book aren't really torture.
Now I'll like to see a rewrite by Nokia of 1984, explaining why much of the invasive technology in that book is really fine and proper.
For a long time I've been wanting to see the (defunct) Bush Administration rewrite The Gulag Archipelago, explaining that many treatments of prisoners mentioned in that book aren't really torture.
Now I'll like to see a rewrite by Nokia of 1984, explaining why much of the invasive technology in that book is really fine and proper.
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2009-06-22
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Originally Posted by benny1967
i envy you.
another source is
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html
German speaking readers can try
http://derstandard.at/fs/12444611466...scher-Konzerne
The problem that we face (at least in europe) is that right now, governments in germany, france and other european countries are restricting free internet access under very dubious excuses (child pornography, copyrights,...).
whatever the technology behind this is and whoever (legally) sells them is irrelevant.
we will see these mechanisms turn against citizens for political reasons, i tell you so. (actually, the whole "intellectual property"-propaganda already is a political thing).
don't only look at what's happening in iran. the same thing's starting in western europe. (and to be honest, i don't care at all if the technical infrastructure is by nokia or siemens or mcdonald's... i just don't want this kind of thing to happen at all.)
EDIT I: it seems nokia no longer sells the technology used in iran; they sold the whole business to the munich based company Perusa Partners in march 2009.
EDIT II: interesting that a nokia siemens spokesperson didn't even deny the deal with the regime in teheran, stating that this is the internationally accepted way to fight "child pornography, terrorism and drugs". - see?
Thanks for this ^ insight...
Originally Posted by You
Agreed, but trade is often the first repressed freedom in a restrictive society. Legislating morality and what Nokia, Siemens, or McDonald's sells will open the door for even more restrictions....don't only look at what's happening in iran. the same thing's starting in western europe. (and to be honest, i don't care at all if the technical infrastructure is by nokia or siemens or mcdonald's... i just don't want this kind of thing to happen at all.)
Me? I'm thinkin' old school printing presses will soon be popular again.
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2009-06-22
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Good one ! Which Nokia model is this ?
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2009-06-22
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The first 'Smart' phone, obviously.
True? What exactly is it?