Originally Posted by woody14619

Again, the fact that Council was to decide the award was not Councils, but handed down by Nokia. Do you think an independent group would have not wound up with a similar list, if not the same list? I think, at most, one or two people would have been chosen differently, and Council would still have had 4 winners.

Yes.. Let's do that math. In the elections here, you can vote for up to the total number of candidates in the order you wanted them. If you didn't want those other candidates, you don't have to vote for them, at all. You could vote for JUST your one if you liked, and if everyone felt this way, just the one would get picked.

So even by the math on this, you're simply wrong. Did you vote in the last election? How could you have done so and missed that you didn't have to cast 5 votes?

I see... Did you want me to kick/ban him from the channel for saying people can use their ignore buttons? What would you have liked me to say? Is there something else that someone has said, that I've reacted too, or failed to react to, that you'd like to admonish me for? Also, how is that a "personal attack", to suggest that people can use a forum function?

So tell me: Why did you stand by while Aries said that three people, by name, were unworthy of their award, and did nothing to help to community? You were in the thread... I know you read the post because you replied to it, and liked it. Was it so normal that you didn't pay attention?

Originally Posted by woody14619

Unfortunately, I think that the misunderstanding was on SD69's side. I believed all along that Estel was going to enter the competition, and he never said otherwise. I think this was a misinterpretation because of a rather minor language barrier.

And yes, I did think everyone but me was running. And I did bring it up, often, that this would be a problem, including at Council meetings. But when Quim and all the rest of Council (and the community present) agree with how things will be done, multiple times, one gets tired or raising the same argument.

Originally Posted by freemangordon

I can confirm that Estel has never said he will not run for a CA. And I can confirm (iirc) he said several times on IRC that he will wait until the final date for the submission.

You may trust me or not, it is up to you, I won't search 2-3 moths of #maemo IRC logs just to make unhappy those who don't believe in my words.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Neither. Given how this went down, just a few rather scandalous individuals are benefitting the most.

Point to them, ask them. I'm no longer sure I can answer much more since it seems no matter what, who needs to benefit from Nokia is dwindling down due to actions as we've all bear witness to as of late.

Originally Posted by ZogG

told you or other councils? and don't tell they don't need to communicate. As well why would he wait for last submission not to get down on first ones?

Originally Posted by Dave999

Why are you even here? You have you n900s and 200 apps all the time that explained why are not in the council.

Originally Posted by misterc

take a step back, please
the community is nice, but do your really think NOKIA hasn't proven in the last two years it could see beyond Maemo.org and TMO?
can TMO jump over its own shadow?

Originally Posted by gerbick

I've been here since it was ITT. TMO is a shadow of that; these proceedings have made TMO even that much paler.

Nokia has been generous with this forum and group of individuals. But that's at an end soon, if not now.

Nokia isn't on trial here though. Just a council that seemingly has unsavory people that are unnecessarily benefitting from the remaining kindness from Nokia.