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Originally Posted by Kangal
I wouldn't call 35000 people working for the new profitable Nokia with a bit over 10 billion euros bank just "a collection of enthused current employees.". People are not talking about the MS mobile division here.
I'm sure there's a collection of enthused ex-and-current employees.
But this thing will never fly.
Nokia is officially dead. There is no more Nokia, no more Nokia devices, the legacy support is a joke, everything is back-peddling and transitioning into Microsoft services.
Enjoy a new Microsoft Lumia phone or tablet.
Nokia's 16000 industry leading patent portfolio is something investors have been seeking better return. Same goes for HERE that doesn't really sit all that well with the NSN side at the moment.
I do believe some people here are downplaying Nokia's capabilities to be a consumer device manufacturer once again with its core R&D with Nokia Research still being intact and not have the huge package of past in R&D or manufacturing. Something where Samsung will suffer next with its sharp decline on phone sales, with it owning much of the actual manufacturing process.
Once again though, I do not believe these consumer devices being smartphones. You could not enter the market in worse climate. If it ever would go to that, Nokia needs to stay away from Jolla, Qt etc. as far as possible, but I hope it does not ever go to that.
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I just should add that what Tomi Ahonen is saying doesn't mean much. What text I have bee reading about him from old Nokia employee, much of his previous second hand stuff have been just pure lies.
Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love
I'm a bit all over the place. iPhone 5S, Jolla and I'm seeking to get Nexus 5. Interested to try Android after a long time. Kind of interested on upgrading to iPhone 6 as well. Jolla unfortunately has not seen any use for past 2 months.
So, are Nokia fans jumping to Android (perhaps with a Nokia launcher), Jolla (with that nice new €100 discount code), opting for continuation (Lumia), going crazy (Neo900), or going for something completely different - be that open source (Firefox OS) or closed (iOS, BlackBerry)?
I've gone with Jolla thanks to the €100 discount, and the fact that I just want to see any European tech company do well. If I can't get on with that, I'll likely give Nokia's launcher on an Android (probably Nexus) phone a try.
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Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love
Quick reply...
So, are Nokia fans jumping to Android (perhaps with a Nokia launcher), Jolla (with that nice new €100 discount code), opting for continuation (Lumia), going crazy (Neo900), or going for something completely different - be that open source (Firefox OS) or closed (iOS, BlackBerry)?
I've gone with Jolla thanks to the €100 discount, and the fact that I just want to see any European tech company do well. If I can't get on with that, I'll likely give Nokia's launcher on an Android (probably Nexus) phone a try.
Android? Big no. I never enjoyed Java, and Android does sound too restricted. Replicant may be more open, but still, Java is not something familiar. Do they have GNU Chess on Android? GNU Octave?
Jolla... Was curious. Heard their hardware is bit cheap. Playing on UI, colours and other halves, not the device itself.
Lumia? Big no. At least, as long as it has Microsoft Operating System Only. If it had hw qwerty keyboard, Pureview camera and was capable of running Nemo-Mer or Fremantle-Maemo, that would have been a different situation. And a different device, too.
Neo900... Crazy? Maybe. Hardware? Excellent. Operating system? FOSS-fremantle, maybe Nemo-Mer, SHR, Replicant, Debian, whatever... For the sake of continuity and legacy, I will likely choose FOSS-fremantle.
Firefox OS? So far, I have only seen a 'cheap' device running it. Maybe, there are high-end devices running it, too. Do they have a hw keyboard? Good camera? Is it possible to get GNU Chess, GNU Octave, espeak, pocketsphinx running under Firefox OS?
HTML is pleasant. But I doubt that porting all applications of the world to it would be an easy task.
iOS... Absolutely no. Shiny candy. Like pepper mint - not my choice.
BlackBerry... Touch-scroller is good. Better than four arrow-buttons and one OK button. Less moving parts means longer durability. HW is not that bad; maybe, I can get used to form-factor without slider and with permanently accessible hw qwerty keyboard. Do not forget to include good camera, and such (good audio, for example, is paramount, both for phone-calling and for music-recording). But, Operating System has to be either Fremantle-Maemo or Nemo-Mer. Possible? No?
Neo900 is an European tech company, too :-)
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Is BlackBerry capable of an autonomous operation now? Wasn't there a case a couple of years ago when a BlackBerry server somewhere in the Land of the Free crashed or something and all the BBs around the world were crippled for a week?
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yup...
not to mention...
people seem to conveniently forget...
what helped (if not outright) crashed bb to fall apart was to have multiple tyrannies/ dictatorships/ whatever gov't's demand access to it's secure communications system...so no one feels safe contacting anyone...
Sure I understand the need for security measures (in the broad sense) regionally or globally...but not at the direct cost to the innocent...by wicked regimes.
Sold out their customers and their security...
There's some spine eh?
Folded like a paper dragon...
Trust them?
Trust BB or M$ or Apple with my security?..my personal info?...where I go? ...what I do? ...whom I see or speak with?...
Hell ...THEY'RE spying themselves!
I don't care how great...or shiny or powerful or fabulous they make something...
I ain't biting...
It isn't even laughable.
I wouldn't care if they created the ultimate cheese...
like so many other companies...it's still meant for a mousetrap.
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not to mention...
people seem to conveniently forget...
what helped (if not outright) crashed bb to fall apart was to have multiple tyrannies/ dictatorships/ whatever gov't's demand access to it's secure communications system...so no one feels safe contacting anyone...
Sure I understand the need for security measures (in the broad sense) regionally or globally...but not at the direct cost to the innocent...by wicked regimes.
Sold out their customers and their security...
There's some spine eh?
Folded like a paper dragon...
Trust them?
Trust BB or M$ or Apple with my security?..my personal info?...where I go? ...what I do? ...whom I see or speak with?...
Hell ...THEY'RE spying themselves!
I don't care how great...or shiny or powerful or fabulous they make something...
I ain't biting...
It isn't even laughable.
I wouldn't care if they created the ultimate cheese...
like so many other companies...it's still meant for a mousetrap.
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Yeah, couple years ago the server crashed and BBM was unusable for about 3 days, if memory serves me correct.
Is BlackBerry capable of an autonomous operation now? Wasn't there a case a couple of years ago when a BlackBerry server somewhere in the Land of the Free crashed or something and all the BBs around the world were crippled for a week?
Blackberry's were fine and could do everything a Blackberry could, except the enterprise messaging through BBM (which is a big deal btw).
Blackberry devices are autonomous, but BBM services are not.
There are still people paid/staff who do maintenance etc etc.
@tissot
Nokia's bread and butter is to sell mobile phones.
Nokia not only completely missed the mobile phone market of 2010-era, but it sold itself for $7B, when it was actually worth double or more.
Now its a bit like Lenovo's acquisition of IBM.
Sure IBM is still around, but is it really?
Nokia is dead like IBM is. And as much as a fanboy as I am, I have to say its for the better.
They couldn't innovate, execute and predict fast enough. Symbian was a joke. While BBX/PlayBook are great innovations. The latest iOS and Android are also very advanced.
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2014-11-01
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Originally Posted by Kangal
Not true, really. Mobile phones were just one branch of Nokia, and while it was very profitable for a time it was destined to be an exit business sooner or later.
Nokia's bread and butter is to sell mobile phones.
Nokia not only completely missed the mobile phone market of 2010-era, but it sold itself for $7B, when it was actually worth double or more.
I agree Nokia could probably have milked MS a bit more for the mobiles but the price they got was fair considering the sorry state it currently is.
You cannot value the mobile branch like it was at it's highest.
Originally Posted by Kangal
Similar thing here, altough not the same. IBM is a lot more than just laptops.
Now its a bit like Lenovo's acquisition of IBM.
Sure IBM is still around, but is it really?
Originally Posted by Kangal
You could not be farther away from the truth if you tried
Nokia is dead like IBM is. And as much as a fanboy as I am, I have to say its for the better.
They couldn't innovate, execute and predict fast enough. Symbian was a joke. While BBX/PlayBook are great innovations. The latest iOS and Android are also very advanced.
Both of your example companies are now doing pretty fine having rid themselves of the problematic products and concentrating on better future products.
You make the common fallacy of equating a company/brand with a specifip product or range of products. A company dropping a branch that is making losses is a healthy one. A company throwing good money after bad is on its way to ruins.
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Hmmm...Nokia dead?...IBM dead?
WTF XD
I think Kangal has been listening too much to (the artist formerly known as) Prince...
oh...wait...what are we doing here...we shouldn't be able to use this forum at all....isn't the internet dead too?
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...et-dead-itunes
WTF
XDI think Kangal has been listening too much to (the artist formerly known as) Prince...
oh...wait...what are we doing here...we shouldn't be able to use this forum at all....isn't the internet dead too?
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...et-dead-itunes
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I'm more interested in juiceme's post on the previous page:
"(currently logged onto a Nokia device under development btw...)"
"(currently logged onto a Nokia device under development btw...)"
thank-you-very-much
everything else is far too insane for my liking....
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