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2020-04-18
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^ despite my critical stance, the browser isn't "unusable".
Battery life is very good on my Xperia XA2 (knock on wood that it stays that way for a while).
I guess you're right about the video chat though.
No need to hope for "maybe in the future" - SailfishOS will never be able to fully compete with Android (yes, LineageOS is Android, too) as a "use-your-phone-for-everything" OS. It will always require a conscious choice for a specific mindset (and agianst another).
Battery life is very good on my Xperia XA2 (knock on wood that it stays that way for a while).
I guess you're right about the video chat though.
No need to hope for "maybe in the future" - SailfishOS will never be able to fully compete with Android (yes, LineageOS is Android, too) as a "use-your-phone-for-everything" OS. It will always require a conscious choice for a specific mindset (and agianst another).
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2020-04-19
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I had trouble getting connectivity back after an upgrade of my XA2, but thanks to jolla.together succeeded without reflashing the system and the upgrade feels good, especially the net performance has improved, it was terribly slow before, here.
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2020-04-20
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Originally Posted by nonsuch
100%. People have developed dependence on ecosystems, and if they truly value their freedom and peace of mind, they'll adapt their usage to suit. For example, I abandoned all social media and gimmick apps. I bought Sailfish licenses for my X and XA2 Ultra, specifically so I could have Android support in the event there wasn't a native app for something I absolutely had to have. Is it perfect? No. Do I feel better now that Google et al aren't farming my data? Yes.
No need to hope for "maybe in the future" - SailfishOS will never be able to fully compete with Android (yes, LineageOS is Android, too) as a "use-your-phone-for-everything" OS. It will always require a conscious choice for a specific mindset (and agianst another).
Remember, if it's free... you're the product.
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2020-04-20
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Originally Posted by gaelic
I wouldn't say the browser is unusable. Moreover, why can't you install Firefox Focus via Android support? I did, and it works as well as it did on stock Android - both X and XA2 Ultra.
For now I've switched to Lineage:
-> Browser is unusable
-> no Videochat with Riot possible (or no native Riot Client, or secure Jabber or Signal Client)
-> battery consumption (Xperia 10)
Still I'm missing the OS in general. Gestures are way nicer implemented than with Android. Card/Caldav OOTB is also a very fine thing.
Maybe sometime in the future again.
I can't speak to Riot clients, but there is an Android app. I've never used Jabber, so I don't know. aebruno's Whisperfish client still works, I registered my XA2 Ultra on it yesterday, so that's a native Signal client. The Android Signal app also works.
As far as battery consumption, both my X and XA2 show markedly better battery consumption over Android. I know the Xperia 10 has a smaller battery than what people are used to, so maybe that's a contributor.
The Android support is there specifically to address most of your concerns: a stopgap to provide apps where native solutions aren't available, to reach a wider audience.
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Originally Posted by deprecated
Likewise. I tried a bunch of alternatives but found it pointless, since the stock Sailfish browser was perfectly fine and actually better than most others, especially in the UI design.
I wouldn't say the browser is unusable.
I wonder what people mean when they say that it is "unusable". Can anyone give an example?
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2020-04-21
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Originally Posted by pichlo
I'd imagine they probably want to use it to interact with some very modern social media sites with tons of obscure javascript content.
Likewise. I tried a bunch of alternatives but found it pointless, since the stock Sailfish browser was perfectly fine and actually better than most others, especially in the UI design.
I wonder what people mean when they say that it is "unusable". Can anyone give an example?
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2020-04-21
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Originally Posted by juiceme
That would be my guess too, but I'd like a first-hand testimony.
I'd imagine they probably want to use it to interact with some very modern social media sites with tons of obscure javascript content.
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Oh, cmon you two 
I am pretty sure you know this list
https://together.jolla.com/question/...lfish-browser/
and it is not only about social media stuff...
I am pretty sure you know this list
https://together.jolla.com/question/...lfish-browser/
and it is not only about social media stuff...
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Originally Posted by pichlo
I'd say not unusable for an occasional link, but for generic browsing sessions, I wouldn't use it because of the absence of adequate build-in privacy, like blocking third party cookies, but also the lack of add-on support. The current web is just too full of tracking dreck. On both desktop and mobile I use first party isolation, http smart referer header, uBlock origin in an aggressive mode, cookie autodelete and I don't care about cookies (because they are thrown away anyway). A pleasant side effect is that I rarely see ads, and when I do, they are harmless because of all other measurements - I might even click on them.
Likewise. I tried a bunch of alternatives but found it pointless, since the stock Sailfish browser was perfectly fine and actually better than most others, especially in the UI design.
I wonder what people mean when they say that it is "unusable". Can anyone give an example?
Yes, I'm aware of some hosts-based (ad) filtering options on SFOS, but that is just part of the story.
-> Browser is unusable
-> no Videochat with Riot possible (or no native Riot Client, or secure Jabber or Signal Client)
-> battery consumption (Xperia 10)
Still I'm missing the OS in general. Gestures are way nicer implemented than with Android. Card/Caldav OOTB is also a very fine thing.
Maybe sometime in the future again.