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2010-09-19
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Consider the following:
There's a book you want in the book store. Really badly. You're broke.
Is it okay to steal it?
And is size a factor? Are you more likely to steal a tiny book?
Is cost a factor? Will you steal a $200 book? A $50 book? A book on the sidewalk rack on clearance for $2?
When does acquiring an item or service become okay to do so without expected compensation?
Keep in mind that the solid aspects of a book are merely a content conveyance. An electronic book is conveyed by different materials. But the privilege of the content and service behind it are what you are paying for.
Same scenario applies to software. Will you steal a package from Fry's or Best Buy? Or just download the exact same product via torrent?
There's a book you want in the book store. Really badly. You're broke.
Is it okay to steal it?
And is size a factor? Are you more likely to steal a tiny book?
Is cost a factor? Will you steal a $200 book? A $50 book? A book on the sidewalk rack on clearance for $2?
When does acquiring an item or service become okay to do so without expected compensation?
Keep in mind that the solid aspects of a book are merely a content conveyance. An electronic book is conveyed by different materials. But the privilege of the content and service behind it are what you are paying for.
Same scenario applies to software. Will you steal a package from Fry's or Best Buy? Or just download the exact same product via torrent?
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by Texrat
ok first tell us which book you stole and why you needed it.
Consider the following:
There's a book you want in the book store. Really badly. You're broke.
Is it okay to steal it?
And is size a factor? Are you more likely to steal a tiny book?
Is cost a factor? Will you steal a $200 book? A $50 book? A book on the sidewalk rack on clearance for $2?
When does acquiring an item or service become okay to do so without expected compensation?
Keep in mind that the solid aspects of a book are merely a content conveyance. An electronic book is conveyed by different materials. But the privilege of the content and service behind it are what you are paying for.
Same scenario applies to software. Will you steal a package from Fry's or Best Buy? Or just download the exact same product via torrent?
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by extendedping
It was a Playboy magazine and I think the reason is self-explanatory.
ok first tell us which book you stole and why you needed it.
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2010-09-19
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Don't turn this thread into a sticky.
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2010-09-19
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Literally none of your answers mean anything until we have a definition for "okay".
On another note, Might makes Right.
On another note, Might makes Right.
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2010-09-19
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I've not seen any serious\compelling reasons to justify the offenses mentioned in this thread yet.
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Originally Posted by ysss
Right, which is where the onus actually lies.
I've not seen any serious\compelling reasons to justify the offenses mentioned in this thread yet.
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by juise-
Just because it happens doesn't mean its right or that we have to perpetuate it.
Taken out of the context, this seems like how the real world works to me.
I don't think it gets any better in context though.
Originally Posted by juise-
Most software do. Again, this is the year 2010. I think you can find the information you need if you try hard enough. Really. Google isn't always right and users aren't always right, but you know, life is like that. Sometimes we make the best judgement and we go from there.
You are making an assumption that you have some kind of trial period. And Google can be surprisingly bad when you get specific enough.
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Deceptive advertising versus marketing are two different things. Be an intelligent consumer, its work but it pays off.
And there is no such thing as advertisement that promises too much.
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Show me examples. I like your arguments but I would like to see utterly blatant lies. And, no marketing terms like "magical" and what not are not lies. It's marketing, there's a difference. You should be able to figure it out.
So you think it's ok to lie to your customers? Because they'll be smart enough to be able to figure out the facts themselves anyway?
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Haha. But if its free, you eat all you want? Strange how that works.
I'll give you a secret. More we accept their s***, more they make us eat it.
Originally Posted by juise-
Well, that's true. Still doesn't make stealing right.
One of the very basic things of capitalism is, that market decides the appropriate price for items.
Originally Posted by juise-
If all of these software companies just lie, shouldn't you have learned by now not to trust them... Yet you keep stealing their stuff? Odd.
I shouldn't be doing this. But the arguments above felt too wrong, so I had to counter.
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2010-09-19
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well I am a 17 year old student atm. And to be honest the prices of software can be silly at times. My netbook was bought for £250 and Windows 7 is more or less half of that price at retail stores. As with everything, if I buy software for this price, then after 3 years or so it would be out of date.
I'm not saying that it is right to pirate copies of software, but what do you expect when the prices are so high?
As for me, I can get the Microsoft Ultimate Steal deal, so Office 2010 and Windows 7 come at a reduced price of approx £30-40.
Poll results are 50/50 exactly (28 for yes and no)
Last edited by kevinp93; 2010-09-19 at 07:24.
I'm not saying that it is right to pirate copies of software, but what do you expect when the prices are so high?
As for me, I can get the Microsoft Ultimate Steal deal, so Office 2010 and Windows 7 come at a reduced price of approx £30-40.
Poll results are 50/50 exactly (28 for yes and no)
Last edited by kevinp93; 2010-09-19 at 07:24.
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I was referring to your overall premise, not the little details cherry-picked to support it.
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