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Originally Posted by Dave999
I ment this as a reminder that we should not try to draw the fences to high and learn from what others already have been trough without judging them for "attitudes".
No we are more join Apple. Keep your friends close but you enemies closer
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2015-12-21
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So whom to blame?
Aliens, Greece or just bad luck
Aliens, Greece or just bad luck
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2015-12-21
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Originally Posted by mosen
This is true. NIH-syndrome is an ugly thing.
I ment this as a reminder that we should not try to draw the fences to high and learn from what others already have been trough without judging them for "attitudes".
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2015-12-21
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If you want a bigger market share,
Get your software on devices, everywhere,
The UX is neither here, nor there.
From the IBM PC compatible,
To the cheap Chinese phone,
Now, the Windoze or Android user,
Will never be alone.
Get your software on devices, everywhere,
The UX is neither here, nor there.
From the IBM PC compatible,
To the cheap Chinese phone,
Now, the Windoze or Android user,
Will never be alone.
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2015-12-21
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Originally Posted by Dave999
How about... oneself?
So whom to blame?
Aliens, Greece or just bad luck
(Which in this case unfortunately means, Holy, Omniscient, Untouchable, Irreproachable, Faultless Jolla, my friends.)
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2015-12-21
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Can you not make a phone which satisfies mainstream users and hackers alike?
Imagine an N9/Jolla complete with polished/complete core UI, an appstore with loads of native apps, an enthused base of Qt/QML developers, and a security/sandbox model done right. Now make a keyboard version of the same hardware, where the system UI all goes landscape and you don't feel like a 2nd-class citizen (release very similar HWKB and Touch models side-by-side every hardware iteration). Make sure the security system can give you full access when you have dev mode installed. Make sure there's an X server and an overly-complicated terminal app. Done?
Imagine an N9/Jolla complete with polished/complete core UI, an appstore with loads of native apps, an enthused base of Qt/QML developers, and a security/sandbox model done right. Now make a keyboard version of the same hardware, where the system UI all goes landscape and you don't feel like a 2nd-class citizen (release very similar HWKB and Touch models side-by-side every hardware iteration). Make sure the security system can give you full access when you have dev mode installed. Make sure there's an X server and an overly-complicated terminal app. Done?
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2015-12-21
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Originally Posted by vitaminj
Hmm. Images float into my mind...
Can you not make a phone which satisfies mainstream users and hackers alike?
Imagine an N9/Jolla complete with polished/complete core UI, an appstore with loads of native apps, an enthused base of Qt/QML developers, and a security/sandbox model done right. Now make a keyboard version of the same hardware, where the system UI all goes landscape and you don't feel like a 2nd-class citizen (release very similar HWKB and Touch models side-by-side every hardware iteration). Make sure the security system can give you full access when you have dev mode installed. Make sure there's an X server and an overly-complicated terminal app. Done?
Enthusiastic developer: "You've gotta open up or get rid of this sandboxing thing! It's stopping us from doing great things on this platform!" (example)
Big-name app developer: "I'm not going to develop for your device until you support Java / Objective C. We've already invested too much in our current programming language to switch over to Qt."
Confused user: "I enabled the 1337 haxor mode on your phone the way that my friend told me, and now it doesn't work. I hate you! I want a refund now!"
Big-business IT guy: "I'd love to support your phone in our network, I really would, but it's just too easy for hackers to use that dev-mode and gain access to our secure data. Yes, yes, I know that iPhones can be jailbroken, and that Android phones can be rooted. I don't care. I still think they are safer than your device is."
I just don't really think these two views of the world should be combined into a single product. Bad things are likely to happen.
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2015-12-21
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
That's right. Jolla failed because it tried to make a mass-market consumer smartphone. As long as it continues to do that, it will continue to fail. There is not the slightest chance that they will displace Android for a significant part of the mainstream smartphone market. Their only chance is to make a genuinely different product that does not compete directly with Android, Apple, Microsoft or Blackberry AT ALL.
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To my mind, there is really no point in making an open-source novice-friendly mobile user interface.
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2015-12-21
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Originally Posted by Ken-Young
If Jolla manage to compensate backers I don't see Jolla as a failure. To me it has nothing to do with numbers.
That's right. Jolla failed because it tried to make a mass-market consumer smartphone. As long as it continues to do that, it will continue to fail. There is not the slightest chance that they will displace Android for a significant part of the mainstream smartphone market. Their only chance is to make a genuinely different product that does not compete directly with Android, Apple, Microsoft or Blackberry AT ALL.
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I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...