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2008-10-16
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Originally Posted by SD69
I also don't want a multi-mode UI developed. Just simply enabling an external monitor prevents the small buttons (see post #20) and other anomalies that occur when porting a desktop app onto the small internal screen. With an external monitor (and an external keyboard), a ported desktop app becomes more usable even without changes to its UI or changes to Hildon. And I would think video out could be a sort of compromise to accomodate that contingent you mentioned.
But let's not forget that there was also a more radical (IMHO) faction that actually advocated doing away with the D-pad and other parts of the "optimization for mobile apps" on the theory that doing so will deter development of mobile specific apps and thus foster porting of desktop apps. While I would accept video out, I otherwise join with the OP in believing that we should not do anything to harm the mobile optimization, and that certainly includes changing the UI.
Its already been proven that its very simple to switch from hildon/maemo to KDE, window maker, afterstep, XFCE or others and easily switch back without rebooting or causing any issues.
I think that the people who want an alternate UI do not want to switch, but add options. (well speaking for myself)
What the problem is, leaving alternates up to the community, and No "real" developers have attempted running a native alternate UI. So people like me,end up doing what we can, with no optimizations, no code changes, just straight desktop code compiled. The problem with this, is evident. Nokia could spend a little time to create 1 single alternate UI with a real Linux look and feel. One that the menus are the same as Maemo, with hooks and widgets into the underlying OS.
Even if it was unsupported officially, it would make many people happy.
Again, maybe I am speaking for myself? It would make me happy
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2008-10-16
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
Atari 400.
Has any individual computing device ever accommodated everyone? Is that a workable goal?
End of conversation.
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2008-10-21
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I suspect that the N800 platform is going to be squeezed out by netbooks on one end, and smart phones (iPhone/Android) on the other. It may retain some market share as a swiss army knife (aka Linux) for the tech elite, but not for the regular gadgetter let alone end user (student, business person).
Pocketability: I suspect that this advantage (size) is overrated. I do not transport it in my pocket, I throw it in a backpack /suitcase /briefcase. Weight does matter, but now that the netbooks are approaching 2 lbs, I willing to trade the weight for the usability. (And I understand the other tradeoffs with weight: power supply weight, battery life).
Software: Kudos for everyone who's ever contributed, but in the end, the software for the tablet never really came together well. Its a shame to think my Palm PDA works better and easier, out of the box, than the Maemo does, for things like PDA functions, handling Office documents, etc. etc.
In the end, I think Nokia should have concentrated it on making it a decent PDA, a decent GPS (ie: 810), media player, (pick your basic function here), and then really pumped up third parties (not just open source) to write other apps. Sort of like what Palm 8 years ago, what Apple is doing now. It worked!
My 2cents.
Pocketability: I suspect that this advantage (size) is overrated. I do not transport it in my pocket, I throw it in a backpack /suitcase /briefcase. Weight does matter, but now that the netbooks are approaching 2 lbs, I willing to trade the weight for the usability. (And I understand the other tradeoffs with weight: power supply weight, battery life).
Software: Kudos for everyone who's ever contributed, but in the end, the software for the tablet never really came together well. Its a shame to think my Palm PDA works better and easier, out of the box, than the Maemo does, for things like PDA functions, handling Office documents, etc. etc.
In the end, I think Nokia should have concentrated it on making it a decent PDA, a decent GPS (ie: 810), media player, (pick your basic function here), and then really pumped up third parties (not just open source) to write other apps. Sort of like what Palm 8 years ago, what Apple is doing now. It worked!
My 2cents.
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2008-10-21
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I'll give you a 50% rebate on your two cents, if you tell us how well your Palm PDA renders (transcoded 800x480) MPEG2 video streams from your wireless network.
A lot of people seem to think this thing is a PDA. It's not. It is an Internet Tablet.
$0.01 rebate. Remainder to be used to further improvements on the Information SuperHighway.
Last edited by briand; 2008-10-21 at 18:31.
A lot of people seem to think this thing is a PDA. It's not. It is an Internet Tablet.
$0.01 rebate. Remainder to be used to further improvements on the Information SuperHighway.
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2008-10-21
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Originally Posted by briand
meh, its a arm based pocket sized linux computer, anything else is marketing speak.
A lot of people seem to think this thing is a PDA. It's not. It is an Internet Tablet.
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2008-10-21
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Originally Posted by nilchak
(Good point.)
When designing apps - the concept of "workable" always applies to which environment and platform you are designing for.
Just because a spreadsheet is "workable" on a desktop PC, doesnt mean it is "workable" on a tablet - even if you could actually run it.
Just because it can run doesn't neccesarily mean it can "work".
A good app design takes this important distinction of "workable" into factor I believe. Its not what can run, but what can work - both hardware constraints wise and usable design wise.
Again, this is just the way I look at it. I understand that some people here need everything to run on the tablet and somehow work on it too.
Because they can. Or because any other application designed for the NIT isn't up to par for one reason or another.
Running applications not designed for the NIT is good for others reasons: performance testing, seeing why the user interface is not good in general, seeing if the user interface is not good for the NIT.
The NIT is a Linux computer. It has hardware running on Linux. Many hardware is used together with Linux. Tons of embedded. Look at Linuxdevices. However, a Linux computer is not necessarily a NIT. A Linux computer is a very broad definition. To most people Linux is mostly known to run on servers, and then PC desktops. That doesn't mean the NIT is a Linux server or Linux PC desktop. Its the definition of 'computer' which is the culprit.
Same with voting 'machines'; they're not 'machines'; they're computers.
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2008-10-21
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Originally Posted by lny98
I suspect they won't get squeezed out. Nettops will be used as travel laptops. Smartphones as well, but for lighter purposes. This includes phoning, but not only that. I suspect Nokia realizes this, and I suspect the smartphone will be merged with the PDA and Internet Tablet. That doesn't mean the NIT dies or gets 'squeezed out'; it'll just be able to do more.
I suspect that the N800 platform is going to be squeezed out by netbooks on one end, and smart phones (iPhone/Android) on the other.
Think about it. Qt + Linux or Qt + Symbian? As long as you have your applications!
BTW, from TV I learned the Dutch law says one isn't allowed to hold a phone in the car while driving. This is against phoning + driving, but it also counts for e.g. SMS, or even navigation. I should look the law up but this sounds like a loopwhile where one can phone using the NIT + SIP (+ WAN like HS*PA or WiMAX) in your hand.
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2008-10-22
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
World's first portable computer weighs 60 pounds, is built like a tank, and runs only on AC power.
http://www.computercloset.org/ibm5100.htm
Key Dates: Announced September 9, 1975
Original Price: $8975 to $19,975 depending on memory (16K, 32K, 48K or 64K) and language (APL, BASIC, or both) options
CPU: IBM circuit module
Operating System: BASIC and/or APL
Input/Output: Built-in 5" monochrome monitor with 16-line by 64-character display; built-in tape drive with 204KB capacity; proprietary printer connection for 5103 printer and 5106 auxiliary tape drive
Its a computer and a pretty darn awesome one compared to the first portable computer. I'd say the price is pretty good also
Believe it or not I actually programed one of these beasts. They were an exceptional kit for the period.
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2008-10-22
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Yes, I really think, that N810 IS computer. I can even make normal programming on it when have not access to my PC! I'm sure, that netbooks NEVER will never be so convinient as N8xx.
But let's not forget that there was also a more radical (IMHO) faction that actually advocated doing away with the D-pad and other parts of the "optimization for mobile apps" on the theory that doing so will deter development of mobile specific apps and thus foster porting of desktop apps. While I would accept video out, I otherwise join with the OP in believing that we should not do anything to harm the mobile optimization, and that certainly includes changing the UI. (Edit: This does not apply to changes made to make the UI an (allegedly) better mobile UI such as Ragnar has suggested. But I know what I like in my wardrobe (obscure musical reference) and I know what I like in my mobile UI. If the UI changes are to be a iphone-like minimalist touch screen with no HW buttons, then I am skeptical and we will just have to wait to see what is the fad and what is the classic that stands the test of time. And hopefully we will have some kind of a multi-mode that permits use of the old UI if we prefer)
Last edited by SD69; 2008-10-16 at 21:01.