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2016-01-18
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Originally Posted by strongm
So what? So they can't afford to do that like Apple and Google can. Their choice is to either progress at a slower pace, using existing free software where they can, or not bother. I'm glad they tried, and are still trying, and will forgive them a little tardiness in getting EAP and SIP done, because no one else is meeting my current expectations in a mobile OS.
So what? This isn't the same market any more. Entry requirements are higher. Or it requires that the new entrant do something so well or so disruptively that a more general failure to meet current expectations becomes moot.
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2016-01-18
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#3833
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So... is Jolla still going to announce its plan concerning tablets this week? If so, any idea what day they plan to do it.
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2016-01-18
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anyone dare to hope that the 'solution' to the tablet problem will be announced at MWC.... when the Intex device is launched?
Would be happy to receive a (modern) Sailfish phone instead.
Would be happy to receive a (modern) Sailfish phone instead.
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2016-01-18
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Originally Posted by ZogG
Gonna have to disagree here actually.
If you need to rewrite whole UI because of HW - you doing something terribly wrong and you would spend a lot of time and money for each device adaptation
In my experience, there's a lot of factors that determine how you paint the UI to the screen. And if you have only one target, you tend to scale to only one target. So once you add multiple targets to that - such as what was the case always for Android for instance - then you might require a rewrite.
It's not because you did something terribly wrong. Your immediate goals were just that limited. Sailfish came out only on phone, a couple of years later finally targeted a tablet, they scaled up to tablet. Done and done...
The rest is just the ongoing argument on the tablets and the lack of mass shipments.
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2016-01-18
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Originally Posted by Bundyo
I stand corrected. Split screen was 1.75 million, 3G was 2.5 million.
3G was at $2.5 mm and wasn't met, split screen was lower and should be delivered, but Jolla already stated that that will be later, after the final 2.0 is available.
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2016-01-18
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Originally Posted by billranton
Apart from mapping, I'd disagree. But really it doesn't matter if it was true. People expect them to work in a modern smartphone and Jolla simply aren't able to allocate resources (money or people) or in some cases willing to.
No, it's the resources that decide. All of those things that you listed are expensive and/or labour intensive.
Originally Posted by billranton
Correct. And now we know this. A company the size of Jolla can not create a modern smartphone. They need more staff or outside assistance and Jolla have neither.
Nokia had a huge horde of developers, and near bottomless pockets. You just can't expect a startup to react that quickly.
Originally Posted by billranton
You can't bring a Raleigh Chopper to the Tour de France. How long are people going to make excuses about Jolla's inability to compete today? It doesn't matter how many features were lacking in iOS or Android at age 2 (hint - they had copy/paste, SIP, mapping, app stores, working calendar/contact sync) - It matters what features they have today.
Look at iOS and Android at 2 years old, and see how many key features they were lacking.
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2016-01-18
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
As aegis so eloquently said, they react to "huge uproars" when it suits them. Especially when it means they do not have to do something.
It was because of the huge uproar from the vocal part of community demanding that "no crowdsourced money for M$!11!1!!".
Kind of comical that even that is used against them...
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2016-01-18
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Originally Posted by aegis
Aren't willing to? Do you have any evidence of that? Easy enough to slip into the end to cast aspersions, but I seriously doubt they ever decided against a community suggested feature without good reason.
Apart from mapping, I'd disagree. But really it doesn't matter if it was true. People expect them to work in a modern smartphone and Jolla simply aren't able to allocate resources (money or people) or in some cases willing to.
Originally Posted by aegis
No, this is all just a question of time, and whether you think they've had long enough to 'finish' an OS yet. I think they're doing just fine - not that I want a 'modern smartphone' OS anyway. Windows is turning into one of those and it's horribly creepy.
Correct. And now we know this. A company the size of Jolla can not create a modern smartphone. They need more staff or outside assistance and Jolla have neither.
Originally Posted by aegis
I never thought they could compete. It's just not realistic to hope to tackle the US behemoth tech companies. Even if Jolla could invent features that they don't have, and they did, they could be replicated in a matter of weeks. All Jolla could ever hope to do was find a niche somewhere. Provide an alternative that the big boys don't want to offer.
You can't bring a Raleigh Chopper to the Tour de France. How long are people going to make excuses about Jolla's inability to compete today?
I'd rather have a Chopper myself, and ride around the estate instead. I never fancied shaving my legs :P
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2016-01-18
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Proper design is proper design(not talking about UI). It doesn't change a lot UI perspective depending on HW and it's common thing even for 12 years old "web developers". If they were planning to have only one device or same size devices it would be different. But from beginning Jolla was aiming on licensing OS to different devices, so why would they shoot in the leg and do something that will slow it.
Gonna have to disagree here actually.
In my experience, there's a lot of factors that determine how you paint the UI to the screen. And if you have only one target, you tend to scale to only one target. So once you add multiple targets to that - such as what was the case always for Android for instance - then you might require a rewrite.
It's not because you did something terribly wrong. Your immediate goals were just that limited. Sailfish came out only on phone, a couple of years later finally targeted a tablet, they scaled up to tablet. Done and done...
The rest is just the ongoing argument on the tablets and the lack of mass shipments.
If they have limited resources they should use them smartly so ...
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