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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by cfh11
i couldn't agree more to abill as to why in the world would you have Meego talk on Maemo forum. Second get real man, do you even realize how much time and effort it would take to put Cordia project anywhere close to where Maemo already is, not to mention trillion bugs it would have which will take another many months to patch. do you actually think people who are and have enjoyed n900 for past year and a half will still be using n900 as their primary cellphone 5 years from now. Nope, none. It will be part of good old Nokia history. A life cycle for a cellphone is kept short, people want to move on to bigger and better things to enjoy the latest and greatest technology has to offer. Similarly n900 is not a God, its just a cellphone. Point being, too much effort in my opinion is put into things when if same effort was directed to maemo, many bigger better things could've come along by now.
@abill you just don't seem to get it. Maemo will NEVER be as open as Meego, and therefore is not as flexible. The closed parts need to be rewritten or reverse engineered which is a HUGE amount of work. Putting hildon on top of Meego (Cordia) will give you the familiar Maemo 5 UX with a much more flexible platform underneath.
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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by Hurrian
I agree totally with you but you see the problem is we all love this device and it is doubtfull another will follow its tracks for a long time to come especially considering the problems with the so called "open source".
Hey abill_uk, are you enjoying 2.6.28?
Face it, the N900's wont last long. Production has likely stopped, and it's only a matter of time until we get flex failures, USB port accidents, dropped devices, etc. Wouldn't it be great if the next device you have (say a SGS2 or whatever supersuperphone comes out) can still run the familiar Hildon experience? Not to mention the only things that really need to be ported and not just recompiled would be whatever closed-source software components the hardware needs.
Give me a N901 for example with newer hardware but open and the quaities of the N900 and i will buy it straight away.
Do you remember the split screen jaguar? its absolutely ancient now but people adore them so much they would marry one given the chance so same goes for the N900 no matter how old or dated or superceded it becomes.
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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by cfh11
I want to settle something with you here ok.... the reason Maemo is not 100% open is because of Nokia BUT do you realise that every single driver for the N900 is within any of the major encrypted updates? and all it would take IF it is even needed is to reverse engineer the update.
@abill you just don't seem to get it. Maemo will NEVER be as open as Meego, and therefore is not as flexible. The closed parts need to be rewritten or reverse engineered which is a HUGE amount of work. Putting hildon on top of Meego (Cordia) will give you the familiar Maemo 5 UX with a much more flexible platform underneath.
One thing i miss that very nearly got to the stage of complettion is the GPS and i am sure a few other apps were much needed to be developed further.
I am not a Linux coder but hell i would love to see the teamwork applied to the os that went on with the usb host fix.
Maemo can very easily be completely open if only this forum would muck in together without the distractions of MeeGo etc etc.
I in turn can apply my expertise as i am a hardware engineer mostly and the reason it was a doddle for me to fix the usb port problem.
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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
See: HTC HD2, Android and WP7.
I agree totally with you but you see the problem is we all love this device and it is doubtfull another will follow its tracks for a long time to come especially considering the problems with the so called "open source".
Give me a N901 for example with newer hardware but open and the quaities of the N900 and i will buy it straight away.
Do you remember the split screen jaguar? its absolutely ancient now but people adore them so much they would marry one given the chance so same goes for the N900 no matter how old or dated or superceded it becomes.
I in turn can apply my expertise as i am a hardware engineer mostly and the reason it was a doddle for me to fix the usb port problem.
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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by Hurrian
No can do i do not have the equipment needed to prototype.
See: HTC HD2, Android and WP7.
Time to build, prototype and produce your own open phone then?
I work with faulty design better and many years ago when multi layer pcb's were being invented i was the "robot" that did the "pick and place" to minimise tracks on the layers and then moved onto cad design when it became availabe.
PS there you go, a little bit about my past !.
Last edited by abill_uk; 2011-06-09 at 14:57.
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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
You're comedy gold.
I want to settle something with you here ok.... the reason Maemo is not 100% open is because of Nokia BUT do you realise that every single driver for the N900 is within any of the major encrypted updates? and all it would take IF it is even needed is to reverse engineer the update.
One thing i miss that very nearly got to the stage of complettion is the GPS and i am sure a few other apps were much needed to be developed further.
I am not a Linux coder but hell i would love to see the teamwork applied to the os that went on with the usb host fix.
Maemo can very easily be completely open if only this forum would muck in together without the distractions of MeeGo etc etc.
I in turn can apply my expertise as i am a hardware engineer mostly and the reason it was a doddle for me to fix the usb port problem.
1) Updates are not encrypted
2) You can access the closed binaries in Maemo5 with ease.
3) "cat /usr/lib/libEGL.so" from a terminal if you don't believe me.
Now, get reverse engineerin'!
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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
No i will stick to hardware thankyou and especially as there are many many on this forum capable much more than me.... how about you for instance?..
You're comedy gold.
1) Updates are not encrypted
2) You can access the closed binaries in Maemo5 with ease.
3) "cat /usr/lib/libEGL.so" from a terminal if you don't believe me.
Now, get reverse engineerin'!
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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
Honestly, having touched that code to build it makes it impossible for me to legally reverse engineer it, so that's why.
No i will stick to hardware thankyou and especially as there are many many on this forum capable much more than me.... how about you for instance?..
(Also, I'm really not sharp in ARM machine code)
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2011-06-09
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
He, for instance, isn't asking for this to be done.
No i will stick to hardware thankyou and especially as there are many many on this forum capable much more than me.... how about you for instance?..
Easy way of remembering how the world works:
- people work on the project they want if they want.
- you work on the project you want if you want.
- people work on the project you want if you pay.
You can't blame Nokia, the devs of this community and the devs of other community for your dreams not comming true if you just whine all day.
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Face it, the N900's wont last long. Production has likely stopped, and it's only a matter of time until we get flex failures, USB port accidents, dropped devices, etc. Wouldn't it be great if the next device you have (say a SGS2 or whatever supersuperphone comes out) can still run the familiar Hildon experience? Not to mention the only things that really need to be ported and not just recompiled would be whatever closed-source software components the hardware needs.
Not to mention, we still have the best task switcher (screw what the WebOS people think).
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