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#192
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Originally Posted by danramos
Exactly. Samsung is 100% committed to Bada, but this is no hindrance for them to make (the best?) WP7 and Android phones, and lots of them. I don't think the Samsung way is better than the Nokia way or the opposite at the end of the day, but Samsung is like the Nike slogan; they "just do it". It is all about execution and commitment, and Nokia is walking in mud right now.
But have they come out to point out that the rumors are false? Saying you're dedicated to QT, Symbian and MeeGo isn't the same as saying that you're not doing Android and Windows Phone 7. That's the communication problem at hand. It's even carried on throughout most of the press.
But then, as NDI points out, they seem to have commitment issues. Didn't they also keep saying they were committed to Maemo too? How about those backports of Fremantle to the N8x0 for the community? How's that going? Before that, how about their support for Mer? How did that work out? Sometimes Nokia says one thing but does another.
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2011-01-02
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Originally Posted by ericsson
I am sick and tired of hearing about potential. Every cell has potential to evolve into a sentient species, but the odds are astronomical to the astronomers. Every child has potential, but half are below average.
MeeGo has potential, but so far no one knows exactly what that potential is, other than some vague formulations about "future demands" which means nothing.
Yes, below average. How I hate that. iOS is not going to go down in flames because Nokia tuned its failure and tried to wash the stench of boos and failure with fresh Intel blood. Android is pumping like nuts, it keeps growing momentum, because each app gets more apps and more apps means more users and more users means more developers. GOTO 1.
Microsoft ain't backing down. There's money to be made here and it has the strength to fight. And if there's anything I know MS can and will do is it will fight for cash with the determination of a drowning bobcat.
Who here will be displaced to make room for the mighty MeeStuff? Potential my foot.
There is no room on the board, people. We are stuck below average.
Potential. Potential is what you have when you don't have anything. 10 years from now this old OS has the potential to be embedded in microCPUs and swallowed to maintain our youth. It won't be and as we have seen every update from Nokia, major and minor, hope makes a poor substitute for code.
We may not have a large developer base, may not have user base, compatibility, but we're special. We have potential.
That's right, we're the ******ed child everyone keeps trying to sugarcoat the reality for. It's not DEFINITE that we won't get flash, browser patches, a new update or anything. Someone might swoop in and just fix it. Anyone might at any moment! Who knows? We have potential.
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2011-01-02
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Originally Posted by ericsson
The end result is NOT the same. MeeGo will be very different from Bada and the effort to get there is not directly comparable. Building a jet fighter is far more work than building an ultralight.
1. When the end result is the same, the work getting there should be (and is) roughly the same.
2. Nonsense. The N8 has the most advanced HW in any mobile phone, the GPU alone is far above anything else out there right now. Symbian ran twin CPU already in the N95.
Nokia's problem is getting the stuff out there, deliver the goodies.
MeeGo has potential, but so far no one knows exactly what that potential is, other than some vague formulations about "future demands" which means nothing.
What I see is that Nokia is 100 times more committed to Symbian than to Maemo/MeeGo, and there are no indications this will change anytime soon.
I'll will be one of the first to get a N9 (or whatever it will be called) when it comes, but not because I believe it will be a better phone than a roughly equivalently spec'ed Symbian device, because it won't.
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2011-01-02
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Since this is turning into a MeeGo thread, let's get things straight (yes, it will be obvious but people seem to lose that out of sight in the heat of discussions).
Nokia has no *currently* shipping MeeGo devices
Consequence 1: You don't know how productized MeeGo looks like. All comparisons about how much time it takes to customize/rewrite/augment/Ovify/productize/whatever are plain guesses.
Consequence 2: You will hear MeeGo is promising, exciting, etc, etc, but you won't hear 'MeeGo is the ****, everything else sucks' because that would Osbourne effect Symbian^3, which is actually pretty important in building momentum for a Qt-centered ecosystem like MeeGo's.
Consequence 3: The first wave of any new platform is the most expected one. You can launch a platform only once, so it will be timed carefully, and that's when you'll see the Nokia marketing big guns. People here are often in the enthusiast crowd, so they are listening at developer/OEM oriented communications (which normally preceed consumer ones, especially in as open projects as MeeGo is) and confuse that with the corporate device marketing that they are used to.
The bottom line is - MeeGo devices need to ship, and they need to ship right, until then this type of MeeGo and armchair analyst talk is bikeshedding, maybe even worse - it's like trying to figure out how flying feels like by looking at airplane blueprints and engineer chatter.
Nokia has no *currently* shipping MeeGo devices
Consequence 1: You don't know how productized MeeGo looks like. All comparisons about how much time it takes to customize/rewrite/augment/Ovify/productize/whatever are plain guesses.
Consequence 2: You will hear MeeGo is promising, exciting, etc, etc, but you won't hear 'MeeGo is the ****, everything else sucks' because that would Osbourne effect Symbian^3, which is actually pretty important in building momentum for a Qt-centered ecosystem like MeeGo's.
Consequence 3: The first wave of any new platform is the most expected one. You can launch a platform only once, so it will be timed carefully, and that's when you'll see the Nokia marketing big guns. People here are often in the enthusiast crowd, so they are listening at developer/OEM oriented communications (which normally preceed consumer ones, especially in as open projects as MeeGo is) and confuse that with the corporate device marketing that they are used to.
The bottom line is - MeeGo devices need to ship, and they need to ship right, until then this type of MeeGo and armchair analyst talk is bikeshedding, maybe even worse - it's like trying to figure out how flying feels like by looking at airplane blueprints and engineer chatter.
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Originally Posted by attila77
He he. I think very few here disagree. We are all armchair analysts, but this doesn't mean that we shouldn't discuss things simply for the reason that we may not know what we are talking about. Hell, "real" analysts don't know the hell what they are talking about most of the time, so come on, lighten up
The bottom line is - MeeGo devices need to ship, and they need to ship right, until then this type of MeeGo and armchair analyst talk is bikeshedding, maybe even worse - it's like trying to figure out how flying feels like by looking at airplane blueprints and engineer chatter.
Afterall, we are the users, and most of us are in the first wave of users of new mobile technology, sometimes years before it catches on through the general public. The N800 series (tabs), and general smartphones like Palm and early Symbian devices or WM devices. I think we know a lot of stuff and have large common experience. What we do not know, is how the market will develop, but show me someone who knows, there aren't any, there are too many unknown.
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2011-01-03
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
http://twitter.com/meegocom is a good source
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Pointing out that TWITTER or a WIKI is your marketing, is like your employer announcing, "The new company health plan is Google." It's lazy marketing and a poor substitute for actual marketing. Marketing is defined as selling your brand TO THE MARKET--the MARKET... hence marketing. Twitter and Wiki's are for people who know what they're looking for. Lazy. Damned lazy and stupid. I can't believe you even attempted to cite that as MeeGo's attempt at marketing.
Of course. Can I ask what kind of marketing you'd like to see? and I personally think you should join up with the marketing guys [1] to suggest your ideas.
I suppose I don't need to say that it's important to keep MeeGo the platform and 'Nokia MeeGo' fairly seperate in terms of marketing. How does Android do marketing?
I don't believe we'll see MeeGo (not related to any devices, that is) commercials on the streets at least.
[1] http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Media_Team
Even before it was truly ready for prime-time, Android had and still is marketed HEAVILY online, on television and all over the place by all of the vendors and carriers who've adopted the operating system and promote the quality of the operating system by showing that Android can DO things. (i.e. Verizon's "Droid Does" ads are an excellent example.) How have Intel and Nokia promoted MeeGo? What you provided was an appalling citation of marketing effort and I insist that you provide us with evidence of something compelling that actually introduces MeeGo to the market.
Also--and more importantly, weren't we actually talking about how Nokia hasn't communicated any sort of denial that they're going to do WP7 or Android?
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Originally Posted by attila77
How it feels like is important for some but how many buy Android because how it feels? And how many buy the marketing? How many buy the company? How many buy what is being actively pushed? I have 2 Maemo and 3 Androids in my close family. Only 1 of us knows what an OS is. Heck, only 2 of us chose the manufacturer, the rest just ogle them in a magazine, pick the good looking one and check features like "has Facebook".
The bottom line is - MeeGo devices need to ship, and they need to ship right, until then this type of MeeGo and armchair analyst talk is bikeshedding, maybe even worse - it's like trying to figure out how flying feels like by looking at airplane blueprints and engineer chatter.
I know they are not like you, but they are like everybody else. How many have bought iPhone but don't know what and iOS is?
I remember when iPhone 2 and 3 were out, I saw people everywhere trying to send contacts via bluetooth and looking annoyed.
Oh and, another cheap stab: on the box of my fiancee phone and in the about box I can plainly read Froyo 2.2, upgradeable (to 2.3, depending on where you look). Cool, huh?
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Originally Posted by danramos
Well, anyone who bothered to follow Nokia communication could have read 'no Android', well, at least half a dozen times from CEO/VP level guys in the past couple of months. The WP7 rumor is from Eldar so based on past records, it has good chances of being ignored completely.
Also--and more importantly, weren't we actually talking about how Nokia hasn't communicated any sort of denial that they're going to do WP7 or Android?
Originally Posted by ndi
What I'm saying is that you did not hear complaints Android this-Android that in 2007, as there were no Android devices out there. When you want to appeal on this feeling thing without having actual products out there, that's plain old hype.
How it feels like is important for some but how many buy Android because how it feels?
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Originally Posted by gerbick
But probably an inspired one
Not from an American blog? Then it means it's true!
I kid. I kid.
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2. Nonsense. The N8 has the most advanced HW in any mobile phone, the GPU alone is far above anything else out there right now. Symbian ran twin CPU already in the N95. Future demands for software is Qt as far as Nokia is concerned, and Symbian runs Qt better than Maemo/MeeGo right now. But again, Nokia's problem is getting the stuff out there, deliver the goodies. MeeGo has potential, but so far no one knows exactly what that potential is, other than some vague formulations about "future demands" which means nothing. I have been following Nokia and Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo. What I see is that Nokia is 100 times more committed to Symbian than to Maemo/MeeGo, and there are no indications this will change anytime soon. I'l will be one of the first to get a N9 (or whatever it will be called) when it comes, but not because I believe it will be a better phone than a roughly equivalently spec'ed Symbian device, because it won't.