Originally Posted by gerbick

I keep a @live.com account - give it out to people I don't like.

Originally Posted by Drekkie

same and I use it for web purchases, but really have had it for so long that I can't be bothered to sort out what I want to migrate from it and what is junk.

I'm pleased whenever we are reminded that the last several years of Nokia mismanagement have led to the current state of affairs, despite the damage I believe Elop has done. It seems people have short memories, but I haven't heard nearly as many as "Elopalypse"-equivalents for the previous CEO/management (or maybe I just missed that era since I only joined when N900 was released).

Maybe we could start a list of those too.

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!

The paranoia of this thread is infectious. Elop is far from Trojan horse. He is in the business of making money and he will do it. I bought shares at 5.79, and they are over 6.4 now with my betting that after N9 and WP7 N9 like looking devices are released, the shares will hit 10 and more in subsequent years.

I have never seen such a pathetic group of depressed, negative and utterly paranoid individuals except for ericsson who seems to be the only one to comprehend what is going on. Lighten up guys, the good times for NOKIA are coming, and Elop is there to help. The Meego apologists need to understand that you got to win at the market and previous structure was not doing it, hence Elop and changes. You are behaving like a typical group of dead wood that needs to move on with the program or get fired for obstruction.

I have some freeby Prozac from drug companies, will be happy to email to whoever needs it here.

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!

The paranoia of this thread is infectious. Elop is far from Trojan horse. He is in the business of making money and he will do it. I bought shares at 5.79, and they are over 6.4 now with my betting that after N9 and WP7 N9 like looking devices are released, the shares will hit 10 and more in subsequent years.

I have never seen such a pathetic group of depressed, negative and utterly paranoid individuals except for ericsson who seems to be the only one to comprehend what is going on. Lighten up guys, the good times for NOKIA are coming, and Elop is there to help. The Meego apologists need to understand that you got to win at the market and previous structure was not doing it, hence Elop and changes. You are behaving like a typical group of dead wood that needs to move on with the program or get fired for obstruction.

I have some freeby Prozac from drug companies, will be happy to email to whoever needs it here.

Originally Posted by gerbick

There's more than one type of customer out there. People that love/bought the N900 were in a serious minority. Otherwise, things would not have been like they are presently.

No Elop at Nokia. No announcements from Samsung stating that they've sold 3 million Samsung Galaxy S II's in 55 (or less) days. No Microsoft deal with Nokia. Those are all connected... if the N900 or anything Maemo was remotely as popular as you lot think it was, then these discussions would not have happened.

So yeah... what danramos sees is what most other consumers that aren't blinded by fanaticism and/or ignorant to better options - the middle of this ignorant storm of consumerism is still enough room for people to know, have used, and can precisely critique Maemo for what it is, what it could have been, what it didn't accomplish.

I say that as a Maemo fan - still think Diablo was the first Maemo that made me a serious fan, although I had a 770 before it - and I can state easily that what you don't see... Maemo for all of its innovations was really a failure for Nokia.

Worse... it opened the door for yet another failure in the form of WP7 to waltz in and say "Well... we have a marketplace for music, videos, XBOX 360 and an official Twitter app and you do not..." and have that be a compelling argument against Maemo.

Maemo had years to establish itself as something prominent. Nokia floundered. Nokia faltered. Nokia restarted multiple times. And thusly, Nokia allowed the competition to redefine something they should have set the definition for.

If you cannot see that, then welcome to the part of the crowd where fanaticism disallows that.



It's been like that since 2005. Time for potential to be applied. Or replaced. Sadly, it's been replaced with a shittier version of "potential" (read: WP7). Blame OPK. Elop is just making it worse - the decline started in 2007.



That's part of the whole "potential" part. Have you seen Microsoft's stock value? They've also dropped to something less than their glory days 11 years ago. Blame Ballmer. Bill Gates had that company at record levels.



20k apps... ok. I have an HTC HD7S - and let me tell you. I don't have more than 20 apps on my phone. Not because I'm a lame user, I have 77 on my Android device(s). I have like 80 on my iOS device(s). And yet, I'm missing certain key apps on WP7 at the moment.

It's functional - so is Maemo. It's modern - so is Maemo. It has an ecosystem - ok, Maemo has sorta one... Ovi is half-baked for Maemo.



No arguments there. Yahoo is #2 - and Nokia had a contract with Yahoo for their mail.



Not knowing who Elop is doesn't excuse the fact that once you know who he is... you see the missteps by this current administration. But the problem is... most people are really unwilling to look back at OPK who let his campaigns - marketing, networking and device/ecosystem campaigns - go unsettled and largely unknown. Nobody knew what Nokia was doing. Still don't...

And to excuse it as "part of Nokia's culture" is straight dumb. Google has shown that if you engage your audiences, things like the Google IO conference can get people that don't know who you are, start to follow you, pay attention to what you say and be interested in what you do. Apple... Steve Jobs gets up there, sells the ever-living **** out of anything iOS. People eat it up... but guess what?

Nokia needs that too. Silence sells nothing. Wide open systems sell to people that think that it's important. I'm quite sure there's a percentage of the 1% of the desktop types care about that.

And it's famously less than the people that buy Android, Symbian, iOS and even WP7 - yep, it sold more than the last Maemo device. Sad, huh?

Regardless... being able to criticize yet can't take criticism for what you evangelize is unrealistic and incredibly biased.

Points at thread.

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!

I bought shares at 5.79, and they are over 6.4 now with my betting that after N9 and WP7 N9 like looking devices are released, the shares will hit 10 and more in subsequent years.

Originally Posted by droitwichgas

Sounds to me like you have taken one to many of your prozac if you think the share price will hit 10 0n the back of a WP7 phone which smartphone users do not seem interested in purchasing.