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Each side lambasts the other over their preferred modes, but in the end, the result is the same: the hapless taxpayer forks over his hard-earned money and then has little realistic say over where it goes and how it's used.
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But on that subject: history shows that the right preaches lower taxes but votes for higher ones. Yet they have successfully deluded citizens into buying the rhetoric over the reality. A skill I don't admire.
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2008-11-28
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2008-11-28
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And fatalsaint, I really need to look up the numbers, but I just feel things like paying to help the homeless just has to be way less than the several trillion we are currently spending on the military and bailing out corporations. But I guess if we let the banks go under we'll then just have former CEOs on the corner asking for change? But I get how you feel.
I don't want any sympathy here, really, it was a good experience in a lot of ways, but I was homeless a long time ago. I did pull myself up mostly. But it was also very helpful at a few key points to have a little bit of help. I only received $75 in food stamps , but that was enough. And I was able to start the small business I have now from the streets.
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As far as being forced to pay for such things, in principle I understand that. But maybe think of it this way, maybe, God forbid, it will be you or someone you know in that kind of need. And there will be that safety net there for you as well. Isn't that worth paying for? Just another kind of insurance.
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2008-11-28
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2008-12-03
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Well to address the first points.. I am a supporter of the Military primarily because it benefits every person within our borders. Not just a handful. Having an established military to protect our lands from invasion and force and direct influence from the outside keeps all of us with the freedoms we excercise on a daily basis.
Hell, I heard even the CEO's of the car companies are threatening bankruptcy if they don't get a piece of the government cheese now. What a mess.
And that's a prime example of what happens when people get something for nothing... they just want more. Give a mouse a cookie and all that. I mean heck.. since the government is just going to throw money at us to keep us from failing or going homeless - Why should any of us work??
As to the last point.. I hate the idea of forced insurance as well. I don't think it should be illegal or a requirement to have medical insurance OR car insurance. If I so choose to drive on the road without insurance and demolish your car... you have the right to come after me for payment. If I can't pay.. you sue me for everything I have, and everything I make for the next 5 years. So since I already despise the CURRENT system (both in taxes, like Texrat, and the insurance requirements, etc.) Just saying it's just "Another" tax, or "another" insurance, or that the "right" does it too..
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2008-12-08
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Ok, I'll sue you. Are you going to have the half mil or more to put my life back together after you Tbone my car and injure me and my wife? I don't like being forced to do things either.
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2008-12-08
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2008-12-08
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2008-12-09
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Which is why this left-vs-right debate is just so much bs. Both believe in redistribution of wealth, just using different modes and to different recipients. Your example of the military is dead on. That's one distribution mode of the right. The left prefers public works (which are desperately needed now). Each side lambasts the other over their preferred modes, but in the end, the result is the same: the hapless taxpayer forks over his hard-earned money and then has little realistic say over where it goes and how it's used.
It's a rant for another day, but I believe income tax is the most anticapitalist thing our government can force on us. It introduces a disincentive to make higher wages-- which is why Congress has to constantly tinker with it (read: corrupt). I believe the only fair tax system is one based on pay-as-you go (with obvious exceptions for necessities) which works very well for us in Texas, but there's too much power and influence tied up in our present national system for it to change.
But on that subject: history shows that the right preaches lower taxes but votes for higher ones. Yet they have successfully deluded citizens into buying the rhetoric over the reality. A skill I don't admire.
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