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#751
I really, really want a robust, sturdy device that can take some abuse, and with good buttons. The 770 was closer. My n800, not soo much.
 
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#752
Originally Posted by suitti View Post
I really, really want a robust, sturdy device that can take some abuse, and with good buttons. The 770 was closer. My n800, not soo much.
The design of the 770 is awesome. They need a N900 series variant that with the same design.
 
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Originally Posted by mullf View Post
The design of the 770 is awesome. They need a N900 series variant that with the same design.
Indeed. I had the 770 for almost a year (sold it to my best friend for $60-- paid $150 new) and bought the N800 with birthday money. I do miss the hard-shell case.
 
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#754
I prefer the soft case actually (e.g. n810 one), I was always a bit worried that I'd do something to the unprotected back of the 770.
 
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Originally Posted by lardman View Post
I prefer the soft case actually (e.g. n810 one), I was always a bit worried that I'd do something to the unprotected back of the 770.
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Shouldn't it be possible to adapt the hard case to the N810/N900? All you would really need is something that is shaped like a 'C' when looking at it from above. It is a solid piece that 'hooks' around the sides of the unit and has an open back. This way, you can slide the unit over the front (to protect the screen) or over the back during regular use.

If the cover is designed cleverly enough, it should still allow for operation using the slide out keyboard while being on the unit's back.

Even if Nokia doesn't produce this themselves, I'm sure there will be a demand for this sort of thing, and should be easily manufactured (once the dimensions and proportions are determined).

Units that have a bulge (N800, N810WME) will likely be a bit more tricky. The N810WME bulge is tiny, though, so it should pose much of a problem.

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I recently bought an N810 because I felt it was an amazing piece of hardware supported by a mostly open source community. So far have I not been disappointed, but like everything, it can always be better:

A) Change the memory/filesystem layout to be as follows:

Internal "MTD" memory to be used for bootloaders, recovery utils, & misc diagnostics only. The boot loader should have adequate options for any future OS's including those not sanctioned by Nokia. The recovery utilities should at the very least allow for complete rebuilding/installation of Nokia OS on the MicroSD listed below. Other diagnostics should help troubleshoot possible hardware problems that might be confused with software or OS problems.

OS then lives on a removable MicroSD. This can be located in a less accessible area such as in the battery compartment. Ship the unit with a microSD and OS pre-installed on it. The size should be such that there is enough room for the OS, map data and a reasonable amount of user files. Users can upgrade to larger microSD disks if they wish. This arrangement makes backups, alternative OS/versions, disaster recovery, easy by just plugging in different cards and booting or restoring. The MicroSD should probably have a native Linux file system on it.

If possible, go back to a single full sized SD slot for the "removable" memory.

I feel this arrangement makes the most sense in that it provides "bricking" prevention by discouraging modifications to the internal MTD memory, removes memory wear issues by putting everything else on removable (as in replaceable) memory cards while providing for a large enough, and expandable root file system, then providing a more industry standard and larger capacity potential removable storage.

B) As others mentioned, USB charging would be nice, but these are the issues with it as I understand:

1) USB Current is limited to 500ma. This means a slow charge rate. A very slow charge rate if unit is then in a high battery-drain mode at the same time.

2) Will there be a problem with polarity reversal going from USB host to client modes? Hopefully there already safeguards built in the existing units to prevent damage to the IT or USB devices.

3) If USB charging is worked out, it might be decided to eliminate the tiny Nokia power connector and charge the unit from USB only. In this case the USB micro-to-"A" adapter cable should be modified to accept the charger (perhaps a from a standard USB "A") while providing a separate "A" connector for USB accessories. Perhaps the charger can then provide a true 5V USB power to the accessory when operated in this mode? If the dual "A" cable arrangement is chosen, then the unit could accept two USB devices when running from batteries only, assuming there is enough power to run both of them.

C) More RAM memory. 256 Megs would be very nice and speed unit up a little too since Linux has a good memory caching scheme.

D) A better camera, but with more efficient processor support so that when used as a web cam, it doesn't use up all the processor power. Perhaps it can get help from the DSP module in the OMAP? A higher resolution camera could then do "face" or "motion" tracking to produce a lower resolution window "cut-out" of the full image to stream. This would be real slick!

E) Increase the battery life. One of the reasons I chose to purchase an N810 over an ASUS EEE-PC was battery life (It sucks on the Asus). The goal should be to make the unit last a day with normal use. Can this be done with better power management and/or by the use of multicore processors? Of course I realize that LCD backlighting is one of the most major power drains, and perhaps not much can be done here unless there are some breakthroughs in LCD & LED technologies. For those wishing for inductive charging, I doubt we have room for enough iron core to be able to transfer enough power, but I could be wrong.

F) Put more buttons on the front of the unit. Make some of them a little easier to push for better game playing.

G) Either make the handwriting work without having to shift for different charactor/symbol sets, or eliminate it completely. It is not very useable as it is. How about some voice recognition software instead?

F) Choose hardware that we can have fully open-source driver access to. Proprietary binary drivers are very troublesome for a Linux system in the long term and should not be used.

G) If you choose to install a "real" mobile phone radio, make sure it is an open source supported one. Do not make "deals" with service providers like Apple did. Notice I purchased an N810, not an Apple iPhone or ipod-Touch!

H) Although the size of the device (N810) is just about perfect for me, if a slightly larger display can be squeezed into the N900 without making the whole thing much bigger, let's do it. If you do make the whole unit a little bigger, put in a bigger battery. Others have said that the size of the original N770 was good. Maybe so if it is filled up with a larger screen and enough battery to power it.

I) Move the +/-/FS buttons so that they are easier to use when keyboard is extended

J) Do a multitouch touch screen unless Apple has it too patent encumbered.

K) Change the mobile mount to be a window mount (like the Nokia HH-12), the built-in GPS receiver needs to be up at the window to be useful.

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Things to not mess up:

A) Sound is great for such a small device. Leave it alone. I also like the standard-compatible 3.5mm headphone jack with the optional 4th terminal microphone capability. The inclusion of speakers set this product apart from the many "Video-MP3" players that are out there. Keep all this.

B) Keep the role switching host-mode / client-mode USB port

C) Keep the GPS receiver, make improvements to it if you can

D) Keep a physical keyboard, but entertain better ways to do it.

E) Keep Bluetooth

F) Keep the kickstand or at least something that performs this same function.

G) keep the stylus & cradle for it.

H) Keep the unit rugged.

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Things I don't care about:

A) I personally don't care about the FM radio (either receiver or the mythical transmitter)

B) The soft case (as compared to the older hard one) is just fine with me too. The hard case just makes the unit bigger in practice. The soft case protects the unit from scratching, the rest of the unit is rugged enough to not need a hard case.

C) I don't think I care about all that auto-rotating screen and accelerometer stuff that Apple uses. It seems like it was be a processor-intensive annoyance in the long run.

Last edited by wartstew; 2008-07-04 at 19:58.
 
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#758
Some warnings about a docking station:

Historically when a docking station is made an optional accessory, it is then priced too expensive and few people buy it. The exception is when the device then becomes so popular (i.e.: iPod) that there are lots of 3rd parties making low cost docks for it.

If too much functionality is transfered to the dock, then one starts to feel they must carry the dock around with them too. It kind of ruins the portability of the device.

I like the idea of lots of single-purpose USB accessories instead. You take what ever single accessory you need for the task with you at any time. This would typically mean "no accessories".
 
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@wartstew

Wow! What a post! I wish I had the time to reply to the whole thing, but its just so complete (read: really, really, long! )

Actually, I think your suggestions are amazing. You have a keen understanding of practicality and it shows through your ideas. I honestly don't think that there's a one that I would change.

I especially like the RAM suggestion. It's been suggested before, but I feel that this is the single most useful factor for the expansion of the tablet functionality. With enough ram (256 being a bare minimum these days, considering the large number of 'desktop' apps that are finding there way onto the tablets) it should significantly reduce swapping and likely result in a speed increase *and* increase of battery life. Of course this assumes that holding something in memory is less expensive power-wise than getting/setting something to the drive.

I agree about the docking station. It should be a thing of convenience and NOT evolve into a requirement. I think I would be happy with a few external connectors (powered USB hub, etc) but nothing that the system couldn't do on its own with the right cables. Hey, if the docking station accepted Lithium AAs, it could charge the N810 or greatly extend its usability when away from an outlet. A useful feature when on a long plane trip, for example.


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#760
I would like to see speech recognition, like Dragon Naturally Speaking. Then I could "say" my emails and use my voice for MSN Messenger (ok, Gizmo).

I have had my N810 for a few months now, and I still do not know how to use everything or what is available for me to download. I need better documentation.

I would also like to see some "web" places which help me find compatible "video news" and "audio news" sites. Many of the videos available on the web will not play on the N810 (too slow?).
 
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