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2011-07-21
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Originally Posted by giorgosmit
first generation of android phone was as simple as s40 though, considered by many sluggish. mainly due its virtual machine.
Well, the first generation of android cellphones ran on ARM11. My previous phone, the HTC Hero, ran on a 500mhz ARM11, and it mostly ran a seriously underoptimised OS (android 1.6). The first wildfire also ran on the same chipset.
Comparing the OSes, maemo 5 (and I presume harmattan) is way, way more optimised than the early android versions. By getting rid of the android java VM, clocking the CPU at maybe 600mhz, adding of course half a gig of RAM and maybe making the UX lighter on effects and such, I have a gut feeling that the experience would be more than passable. That Hero could do some seriously impressive stuff, considering its hardware. If it ran Maemo 5 or Harmattan and was priced at 250 euros, I'd buy it today in a heartbeat.
it wasn't until droid galaxy s, sony ericsson xperia x10 that its start to gain some traction
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2011-07-21
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That's what I'm saying. Maemo makes way better use of system resources than Android. In the dark days of 1.6, it wasn't rare to see the CPU working its arse off, doing nothing. I had installed some memory and system management utilities and many a time I wanted to bang my head into the nearest wall. The latter versions were much better, but still if you found the phone on a bad day even opening a media player could grind the phone to a halt (in 1.6, opening a media player would ALWAYS grind the phone to a halt).
Maemo, for all its quirks and idiocyncrasies, was never as bad. Optimize it for OMAP 2, make the process scheduler and memory manager more aggressive, give it a lighter UX, and the phone will do, not excellently, but passably. I can guarantee you that even modern low end androids today do no better (anything lower than an 800 mhz OMAP3, and even that's pushing it).
Maemo, for all its quirks and idiocyncrasies, was never as bad. Optimize it for OMAP 2, make the process scheduler and memory manager more aggressive, give it a lighter UX, and the phone will do, not excellently, but passably. I can guarantee you that even modern low end androids today do no better (anything lower than an 800 mhz OMAP3, and even that's pushing it).
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2011-08-01
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So the Nokia 1GHz featurefone was true.
Its sad that its a 999MHz ARM11 CPU = ~600MHz ARM Cortex A8 CPU.
GPU is same as with N8's so it's on-par with SGX535 (iPhone 3GS).
It's run on a limited 256MB RAM, stored on a 512MB NAND.
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...fications/500/
All-in-all, its about as powerful as the Motorola Droid or (stock) Nokia N900 ... so this "smartphone" is ONLY one year and 10 months late!
Everyone check out the various advertisements on YouTube (from yesterday) about the Nokia 500:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75383&page=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJdCO-F9Bc
Last edited by Kangal; 2011-08-01 at 12:02.
Its sad that its a 999MHz ARM11 CPU = ~600MHz ARM Cortex A8 CPU.
GPU is same as with N8's so it's on-par with SGX535 (iPhone 3GS).
It's run on a limited 256MB RAM, stored on a 512MB NAND.
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...fications/500/
All-in-all, its about as powerful as the Motorola Droid or (stock) Nokia N900 ... so this "smartphone" is ONLY one year and 10 months late!
Everyone check out the various advertisements on YouTube (from yesterday) about the Nokia 500:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75383&page=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJdCO-F9Bc
Last edited by Kangal; 2011-08-01 at 12:02.
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2011-08-01
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Originally Posted by Kangal
I'd be interested to know how you define a 'smartphone'. You need to take into account that this device is priced at 150 euros.
So the Nokia 1GHz featurefone was true.
Its sad that its a 999MHz ARM11 CPU = ~600MHz ARM Cortex A8 CPU.
GPU is same as with N8's so it's on-par with SGX535 (iPhone 3GS).
It's run on a limited 256MB RAM, stored on a 512MB NAND.
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...fications/500/
All-in-all, its about as powerful as the Motorola Droid or (stock) Nokia N900 ... so this "smartphone" is ONLY one year and 10 months late!
Everyone check out the various advertisements on YouTube (from yesterday) about the Nokia 500:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75383&page=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJdCO-F9Bc
P.S. The 500 doesn't have a GPU.
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2011-08-01
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its suppose to be cheap.
n900 never hit much below 300 euros.
this phones should sell 200euros. or less.
n900 never hit much below 300 euros.
this phones should sell 200euros. or less.
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2011-08-01
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Originally Posted by Kangal
Pointless comparison.
All-in-all, its about as powerful as the Motorola Droid or (stock) Nokia N900 ... so this "smartphone" is ONLY one year and 10 months late!
Processor is about same as in Huawei, ZTE and low end Samsung Android phones.
Last edited by Rauha; 2011-08-01 at 13:18.
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2011-08-01
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Also, this one is a smartphone, as it's running Symbian Anna and thus it can run all current Symbian applications. For me, that's a smartphone. It's not running S40.
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2011-08-01
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Originally Posted by Kangal
Kangal, you are showing your ignorance, and this is the wrong thread. The 500 is running Symbian Anna. It has nothing to do with the 1 GHz S40 coming.
So the Nokia 1GHz featurefone was true.
Its sad that its a 999MHz ARM11 CPU = ~600MHz ARM Cortex A8 CPU.
GPU is same as with N8's so it's on-par with SGX535 (iPhone 3GS).
It's run on a limited 256MB RAM, stored on a 512MB NAND.
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...fications/500/
All-in-all, its about as powerful as the Motorola Droid or (stock) Nokia N900 ... so this "smartphone" is ONLY one year and 10 months late!
Everyone check out the various advertisements on YouTube (from yesterday) about the Nokia 500:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75383&page=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJdCO-F9Bc
Crash course in Nokia Technology:
S40 = Feature phone platform on top of Nokia OS.
Symbian = Smartphone OS (Once it ruled the world of smartphones >50% market share).
So everybody, this is why it is impossible to have a decent debate around here. Way too much ignorance.
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2011-08-01
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nokia problem isnt low end.
but high end.
sadly wp7 wont fix that.
but high end.
sadly wp7 wont fix that.
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Comparing the OSes, maemo 5 (and I presume harmattan) is way, way more optimised than the early android versions. By getting rid of the android java VM, clocking the CPU at maybe 600mhz, adding of course half a gig of RAM and maybe making the UX lighter on effects and such, I have a gut feeling that the experience would be more than passable. That Hero could do some seriously impressive stuff, considering its hardware. If it ran Maemo 5 or Harmattan and was priced at 250 euros, I'd buy it today in a heartbeat.