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hm... weeellll
Every one who has read this far understands the point...
to reiterate it what I believe is needed is development tools in a live distro for usb/ sdcard/ rwdvd/ whathaveyou . We used to have such a thing with the knoppix (been looking at that model) no one seems to have a copy of one of the desktops with intrepid sooo that does make it awkward there to see (been a long time since I looked at that one and I don't have it) how diablo and fremantle worked together.
Anyway.
Back to my initial chitty-chat....what we seem to suffer from more than anything is that we can maintain what we got allll we like ...
but we are at the mercy ...
like everyone else of 6 month release cycles ...
meaning in a year ...or 2 or 4 ...
whatever everyone sets up is completely done and ya gotta start all over again on a new host system.
I know you can migrate vm enviros...
but what a hassle...
Not to mention there is the hassle ...anyway ...of setting up the workspace you want .Especially for new people...the process causes a horrible rash, brain-matter diarrhea to exit the ears in an uncomfortable and terrifying process...and has driven a few to the point of cutting all the hair off of their sister's barbie-dolls...
P I T A
alllll-around.
And THAT is a great part of why I'm doing all this...
-cut through the crap and tedious nature of set-up..
-make it easier to simply get down to developing..
-make it easier for new people. Which is really important.
-have everything on a portable drive
- devel enviros for 770, 8x0, 900 users
-a fluid-flexble updatable live distro not bound by cyclical releases which can be distributed...

-So I did some hunting...low and behold ...some pretty good utilites...
(I've yet to really tear apart turnkey tools to rip open the old sdks meant for vm and turn them inside out and change them into live distros)...those utilities are intriguing but are purely a stop-gap...

-A better alternative is turning-a-running-system-to-live-usb/ iso.
It is an excellent alternative...it works.
BUT.
There are limits to live distro creation...finished size cant be too monstrously huge ...I'm working on that..

-The good news is..once you have said live iso put on a usb/ sdcard you can then enlarge the size to however much you like..16gb, 32gb, 64,gb ...whatever size your portable usb or card can take...

-Trick is I've tried a full distro running virtualbox with another system inside running scratch with everything installed...it was too much for the process...the process took...the live distro booted...everything was there..including virtualbox ...but Scratch and all the fremantle goodies was too much data for the process.

-Scratch ..even by itself.... installed on lubuntu 32bit is still huge for the process.

-Most distro install iso's aren't over 8gb ..Scratch alone is about that big...it's alot to try to beat into a smaller space.

-There is always cloning...that is a solution...but which is a last resort (yet again) since it detracts from the purpose of creating a live distro ready to run the tools we use.

-So..I am working on it...

-Lately I tried something else.. Scratch installation directly on lmde2betsy mate 32bit is successful...which is good.

-I haven't downloaded the sdk..nor installed the packages..that would yet again be too much. But I'm looking into that..
- needless to say I'm going to see how well the live distro process takes to just having monstrous Scratch installed.
-I should have results of my trial and error done soon.

-The lubuntu live iso works fine with qt sdk (but I can see in a few years we will be in the same quandary as before with cyclical releases) hence the purpose of trying to get everything for 770, 8x0, and 900 on a rolling release live distro iso which can be put on a usb/ card then enlarge the partition to your desired size and have a system updatable (without having to deal with typical cyclical releases which one has to start alllll over from the beginning with).

-lmde2betsy is great since it is pretty close to my desire of utilizing the new jessie..in a rolling release format in live iso distro format. and it works fine with smaller tools ..like qtsdk.

-same with antiX15 beta.(jessie as well)..the running distro to live iso with qt sdk works fine...which is fantastic...I am just waiting for antiX15 to be out of beta and then I see a point of continuing there.

-Same goes for Bodhi..I did get everthing working properly ...but Bodhi is going through some changes and I want to wait for them to finish and I'll pick up from there.

-So just for the moment right now.. I'm working with lmde2betsy...
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