Well, I NEVER make people do things, I just wish you would be there, and I can show you how 'handsomely' I have trained myself in writing on the Nokia, and MOST OF ALL, I can provide a hot ear for your Nokia bashing that nobody can. Finally, the one that fights with windmills did go down in history, right? Dont you want to leave a footprint in maemo history, KJ? Oh, I have never touch a Newton. I heard about it, and read about it and that is it. I used a TI99 and TRS-80. bun