Well. Yeah I dunno. I'm not happy that 1653 people that are excited about hwkbd phones were robbed of 160kE. Good intentions or not from Chen, it was obvious for me this was unrealistic. People were cheering for over a year and were disappointed and the money is gone. That sucks. Sure he offers refunds, but how many people are going to do that effort AND will meet this two week deadline? Oh yeah and while 1653 people were waiting I was actually working on another project! What kind of bs is that I mean really. People ask in the igg page to extend this refund period untill after this new phone is available for sale and that is the only question not answered. It fits the picture. But yeah who am I kidding, making a kwkbd phone is a lot easier that just making a kb obviously. Q4 release is obviously a realistic timeline and this time just give him a bit more money and he superpromises to not let you wait for a year before cancelling this time. Sure Why hack on each other? Why give your honest opinion when you want to protect your guys from burning 160k? Dave, I leave the honours of starting the 11 day countdown till Q4 starts and qphone deliveries start to you