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rcolistete 2015-11-25 13:17

Community saving Jolla and Sailfish OS ?
 
Also posted in :
- the "The Future of Jolla's Tablet" topic;
- Together.Jolla.com as an idea;

How to save the Jolla Tablet and Sailfish OS ?

Jolla should make available choices for the community to finance Jolla & Sailfish OS :

1) Indiegogo campaing to finance Jolla :
* finishing the Jolla Tablet deliveries;
* further developing Sailfish OS 2.x for tablets;
* making Sailfish OS 2.x for tablet available as an image to install on one or two popular and available tablet(s) (with open bootloader, maybe Nexus 9, etc).

2) Indiegogo campaing to finance Jolla :
* further development of Sailfish OS in general;
* making Sailfish OS 2.x for other smartphones as an image to install on some popular and available smartphones (with open bootloader, like some Nexus 5/6, etc).

3) Alien Dalvik could be a paid option to whom want it in these non-Jolla smartphones & tablets.

I would pay for the 3 above options.

I think these initiatives could bring some millions of US$ to Jolla.

NokiaFanatic 2015-11-25 13:29

Re: Community saving Sailfish OS ?
 
The tablet doesn't interest me personally, but I would be definitely interested in getting a certified Sailfish build for a generic Android phone (I know this exists, but very often things are broken!) with regular updates/patches/features for a year.

Let's say we launch an IndieGogo (doesn't matter how it gets funded) and we get 50,000 backers willing to put €20 in for 1 year support?

That's €950,000 - is that chump change, or could it keep Sailfish alive?

ggabriel 2015-11-25 13:35

Re: Community saving Sailfish OS ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1489694)
That's €950,000 - is that chump change, or could it keep Sailfish alive?

They need €10 million or thereabouts.

To OP: while the options are sound, you don't explain how they will make money - are these images going to be sold or will Jolla depend on further investment from igg/ks campaigns?

MartinK 2015-11-25 13:45

Re: Community saving Jolla and Sailfish OS ?
 
What about a Opensource everything Jolla legally can target ?

Could have sub bounties/targets like:
  • adding the opensourced components to Mer bugzilla
  • documenting the released components
  • x months of infrastructure hosting costs
  • x months of bug triage meetings
  • designating maintainers for x packages

rcolistete 2015-11-25 13:47

Re: Community saving Sailfish OS ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1489695)
They need €10 million or thereabouts.

To OP: while the options are sound, you don't explain how they will make money - are these images going to be sold or will Jolla depend on further investment from igg/ks campaigns?

Jolla needs about EUR 10 miilion for each year of operation, AFAIK. So some miilions of EUR would save Jolla Tablet and keep Jolla alive for some months. With more users, then Jolla could be profitable in 2016.

The images for tablet and other smartphones would be free, but available after Jolla work to make them more finished (all features working, almost all sensors supported, simple to install and update, etc).

Jolla would colaborate with HADK developers, improving the effort to make Sailfish OS a serious mobile OS for some selected smartphones and tablets.

NokiaFanatic 2015-11-25 14:00

Re: Community saving Jolla and Sailfish OS ?
 
The community could never raise €10M to keep Jolla alive as it is. Anyway, I am not sure it should, even if it could. What I am suggesting is that maybe there is a way we can keep SailfishOS (not Jolla the company) going on a lower budget. If we ditched corporate expenses like CEO's, office space, etc. perhaps we could keep Jolla going on a community basis (but with some paid developers)?

xmlich02 2015-11-25 14:09

Re: Community saving Jolla and Sailfish OS ?
 
Jolla should be more open to collaborate with community.
e.g. integrate our transifex project https://www.transifex.com/jozef-mlich/jolla-cesky/

MartinK 2015-11-25 14:15

Re: Community saving Jolla and Sailfish OS ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1489700)
The community could never raise €10M to keep Jolla alive as it is. Anyway, I am not sure it should, even if it could. What I am suggesting is that maybe there is a way we can keep SailfishOS (not Jolla the company) going on a lower budget. If we ditched corporate expenses like CEO's, office space, etc. perhaps we could keep Jolla going on a community basis (but with some paid developers)?

Office move is already ongoing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmlich02 (Post 1489701)
Jolla should be more open to collaborate with community.
e.g. integrate our transifex project https://www.transifex.com/jozef-mlich/jolla-cesky/

Yeah - I think ignoring people wanting to help is perhaps the biggest mistake Jolla did and it is definitely a contributing factor to the current dire situation.

Can Jolla still turn around or is it too late ? I guess we will see one way or the other - but finally letting people to help you could be the first step. :)

romu 2015-11-25 14:53

Re: Community saving Jolla and Sailfish OS ?
 
As far as I understood from the last meeting log, it seems that in case of definitive Jolla closing, SFOS will be fully open (except that can't be open like Alien Dalvik and keyboard prediction).

In such case, as we're on TMO, I'm sure TMOers will get involved to maintain SFOS as some folks already do with Maemo.

At that time, I'll pay to keep this alive. I'm not interested in the tablet too, but I'm also ready to pay to have an official N5 image, not sure this would help Jolla.

aegis 2015-11-25 15:51

Re: Community saving Jolla and Sailfish OS ?
 
You want people who didn't buy a tablet to fund the delivery of the tablet to other people?

You'd have to be very community minded to do that!

IMHO, the important thing to salvage is the OS. I wouldn't fund anything unless it was to open source the OS, provide infrastructure, bug trackers and fund core development staff.

It's up to Jolla to make good on the delivery of tablets, not the community.


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