Necuno Mobile
 

Just spotted this. Looks interresting, and well, all most too good to be true. 100% open source hardware and software.

https://necunos.com/mobile/

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You know, what they say about stuff that sounds too good to be true...?

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not scammed anyone yet . Lets see what is happening.

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"Availability: To be announced" - mmm.... where have I seen that before?

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May I ask how did you find them ?
Google doesn't find anything interesting about them except their website and this forum.. Not press release anywhere...

Their website has been registered since March 2017 so it is not coming from nowhere, but not a single name of who is behind it on their website, only they come from Finland.

They present a Quad iMx6 as their CPU. So if they succeed to deliver something, it will probably be quite behind Purism (with its middle range iMx8, consuming less and with up to date peripherals and GPU).

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My feeling? Too early to get behind this.

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Obviously:

By the way, I missed the twitter feed the first time : https://twitter.com/necunoscom
And found this pdf document on their website : https://necunos.com/rcm.pdf with this name on it :
We know someone in this community with this name, mostly by is nickname locusf.
There is an old tweet containing the name of necunoscom that he retweeted so could really be from him.

That would also explain why the people who retweeted the 2 tweets from the account of necuno are from the Nemo community.

At least we have now an idea of who is being it, so may not be as big a trap as other were. We'll see what they propose in the future, but it looks like with a CPU that old that they only target people like on this forum, which so far lead to projects in small quantity with small team, so high price regarding performances and big delays. But would be glad to be wrong !

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So it's coming Soon

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I signed up... no answer...???
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@locusf \o/ cool.

I had very good but short communication with him when he fiddled around with SailPi back in 2015.

More than mildly interesting i must say. Thanks for sharing Niel!
Did he tell you or did you find the info by chance?

I am going to shoot him a notice concerning this thread. He might be interested to share some definite info before speculation goes into certain unnecessary directions...

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To clarify - I am no longer going to hold my breath on devices from unproven companies with great ideas that a few years later, provide a limited release, if at all.

Blame this forum for that.

So yeah... I can read and know that it's to be released "soon". But my statements are in regards to how that usually equates to "concept not ready for primetime yet".

Here's to hoping I'm very wrong.

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Too good? Really? NXP i.MX6 CPU. Cortex A9, you know, the one which was kinda slow in the N9 already. Even Purism tried really hard for the slightly less antique MX8 for the Librem 5 (and succeeded).

I'm not asking for the latest greatest, but a 64 bit cpu with some A72 cores, or otherwise web browsing will simply be slow.

On the OS-front they've said next to nothing. What if they present something like Tizen, with "HTML5 apps"-dreck? (On those Cortex A9 cores :D)

Last but not least: "read the blog", but no RSS/Atom feed anywhere.

Meh. While I don't wear a tinfoil hat, I think I am part of their target audience. Still, I'm unconvinced at best.

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There must be a glitch in the matrix, because I'm getting some serious deja vu from that whole Turing campaign.

Very skeptical about this, but if more than one company manages to ship a viable open and privacy focused smartphone using the same chipset, it can only be good for everyone else using that chipset. Could be really positive!

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Sorry, "obviously" was maybe a bit too strong a word. Wanted to point out that as nothing is known yet (starting developpement based on an idea, or production started and orders now opened), it is too early to even ask if there is a point to follow them.

Looks like the N9 had a single Cortex A8 (OMPA3630) whereas this is a quad core Cortex A9 (bigger pipeline, out of order execution, and other improvements according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar..._ARMv7-A_cores) which is quite a big difference.
Not yet a high end iMx8 nor a heavy CPU that can be found in Android's latest, but should still be better than the old time of N9.

The biggest difference here is that they are not using as much buzzwords as possible, which makes this a lot more possible (iMx6 can be purchased easily in small orders, not like the things TRI "promised").


Waiting eagerly for locusf to present the project details.

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Sorry people, not much to comment on but that I have worked on RCM and in NecunoS for a period of time.

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I noticed the tweet, and also found that locusf was involved.
So, I am interrested, most for the reasons that its open source, both in hardware, and software. And that a community member is involved - may I add, for me, a highly respected member. And I will absolutely join, wether high, middle or low- end hardware specs.
Will be interresting with a price-tag, that, for me, might slow down how fast I can make a purchase.

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WTF? iphone 4 without the button

Anyhow, not interested in another nothing but blablabla privacy blabla open blablabla......

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Thats about the worst comparison, like, ever.

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Yes, that is a common euphemism for "unusable in the real world".

But some people like it :D

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I was wondering about that too. I 'thanked' that post for the second sentence, not the first.

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hardly.......... since there is nothing to compare but a few buzz words

Anyway, IMO, what the world need is a commercially successful 3rd OS first and then we can dream from that onwards. Otherwise we will always end up with useless device that no day to day service will support.

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well.....
https://necunos.com/images/necunos_phone_mockup.png

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Hello locusf !

Sorry, i am not a native english speaker, so have a slight doubt I understand correctly "for a period of time". Can you confirm this means this period of time is now finished, so that you don't work there anymore ?

Thanks !

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I think that is so ;)

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Yes, that's how I understand it too.

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Okay. Now my interest has increased.

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I will believe it,
have an interest in it,
consider it,
even bother to give it more than a cursory glance ...in effort / attention,

when it is on the shelf,
has a repo with "enough" apps that are functional and competitive with the opposition,
an os that isn't half baked,
a support network that functions.
essentially any or all of the above that isn't abandoned inside the first 2 years of it's deployment,
and a few other things that are important as well...
but I won't fill the page with a post like that...

I will however copy and paste this post for every "new fabulous shiny stone" that pops up...
negating wasted time by me.

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Oh, I'm of the same mind. But I have sorta a love of whatever locusf does. He paved the way for the Raspberry Pi/Sailfish tablet project which I followed along and got up and running.

Call me a fan. But he's actually done work that I've seen, touched and used.

It's not equity I'm giving here. Nor faith. I am lending my hope that they will deliver something that I will actually use - that's a lot more realistic than other endeavors.

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Essentially when someone else has done all the hard work ;)

But don't worry, I am totally with you on that one. I am already using one half-baked OS, I don't need another one.

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@ gerbick and pichlo,

1st...
not to rub salt in wounds, but I don't care if it is mother teresa from beyond the grave making them,
I believed 100% and completely in a fellow member here once before and that trust was ill placed.

2nd....
..."All the hard work?"

And that would be the reason why .......
THEY GET PAID ...for their successful effort by trading their created and manufactured product for currency that I and others give them..of our EQUALLY HARD EARNED MONEY....for their hard worked for.. end product...

I understand that this fascinating new approach actually works outside the "gofundmymiddlefinger" campaign structure.

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Let me add to fore mentioned "unnecessary speculation" -> unfair comparisons, generalization, hearsay, mix up of earlier events, individuals or settings.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7H1el_NbpLY/hqdefault.jpg

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And I rebut
show me the finished fully supported product and I will purchase it...thereby supporting the endeavour....

Like it works everywhere else in this consumable civilisation

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perfect. That's quite constructive.
Now the creators can read your publicly voiced requirement and act accordingly if they want to target you as a customer.

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Let me expand. A new product needs early adopters. I everyone was waiting for all the things you listed (a fully stocked app store? are you serious?), then only products with multi-million companies behind them would ever have a chance.

Your rebuttal was much better. An off-the-shelf product, even if not fully polished, is a fair expectation.

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As it is now, they've only presented the idea of a product. Frankly, I wonder why they even made a website for a such a shallow idea at this point. It's nothing more than "we'll create a mobile device using dated tech, which doesn't run on Android or iOS, and we promise we'll publish the schematics and all source code. And privacy! Yeah privacy!"

Even Jolla, Purism and Canonical had a more complete picture when they presented their ideas.

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While the vast negative comments shouldnt surprise me. It does. Is it because the initial "soul" of this community has died? If so, who can we blame? Nokia, Neo900, Jolla, or any of the many others who "dated trying, while dying" ? Or our self?
I dont know, but I will endorse every company or single person who tries. An the original old timers of this forum propably will also, to the extend they can afford. At least, i hope.
Yeah, I am a dreamer. But sometimes dreams come true.
While locusf may not be a part of the particular project, one thing is for sure, i bet you 100%, he did a lot of engineering on most of our platforms, not the least - SailfishOS, and if he was working as hard with this new project, I am convinced we will see something we will like.

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Blame the countless projects that inspire faith, talk the right kind of concerns that this group would follow and want (ex. open source, secure, Linux, configurable, not Android or iOS, etc.) and yet, we've gotten pretty much nothing in return for those investments. Folks are still waiting on those investments into Neo900, Jolla tablets, aluminum cases, Pyra, Turing and so forth.

Instead, we're dealing with stuff that is seemingly always coming "soon". Faith is finite as is this group willingness to finance these endeavors.

The negativity is a real issue. However it is because of lack of deliverables in the devices. We can all run Linux on Raspberry Pi's and other DIY devices all day. But it would be nice to communicate whilst walking around on a device that I could at least trust - trust to use, trust for privacy, trust that I can configure as I wish... that part is variable.

But the negativity is a clear and concise response to feeling mistreated and your faith taken for granted.

The companies that get it right are the ones that are at least communicating the ups and downs of their endeavors. Purism comes to mind. They've been transparent about it all.

Let's use a different thread for this discussion though. Necuno is a new product. They've yet to not deliver or even discuss what all is incoming. Give them at least the time to announce fully their intent.

We'll be watching.

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Completely agree with all everyone has said...
Except one thing...
It isn't about negativity...or soul gone from community...
It is as gerbick said ...
It is very simple...
Its about not one or two or three endeavours failing to come through...
It multiple...as in many many many...
And yes they all say the right words....
And they have all gotten plenty of money from us...
And they still haven't come through...properly.
It isnt about negativity...and or a lack of soul...
I am happy and excited and hopeful for any upstart to come through...
But it is now ...after many many many many many years...balanced out with "arms crossed over chest" ...show it to me and I will buy it pragmatism ...
Yet STILL I support it...
I hope the best for it..
I wish the best for it..
I will even purchase multiples of the product ...so as to have back-ups and extras...
I will even purchase peripheral necessities for it..
everything from needed cables, attachments, cases batteries, etc etc etc...
and yet again purchase multiples of them as well...
And STILL yet again I will buy the limited edition severely overpriced t-shirts ...and other ridiculous paraphernalia ...

So no one give me that big pile of manure that there isn't money to be made from devices...
If Nokia were still gripping with both claws the money to be made...from the nokia internet tablet line...
To this day they wouldn't be eking out a pittance from the Nxx0 line...
not from folks like me...
or others here who think likewise about their devices...regardless the make or manufacturer...
and yet others who are buying one and all the needed bits as well...
Constantly folks are showing up here with devices ...
haven't ever used one...and new folks here...
and old maemoites ...come back with devices just bought ...in need of all the bits and necessities too....

And the whole..."only big companies .." shtick ...
Concerning inability for small endeavours to come through without gofundme emptying my wallet
Is a big load of crap.

the lone fund-er has little clout legally ...to chase down his investment...
Whereas the proper investor ..has no problem "lawyer-ing up" and going to court to retrieve his investment back.
So in the end ..
It is just easier to walk away with gofundme money than a proper investors...

Just because we wish open source and privacy and streamers from the handlebars ..and baseball cards in the spokes...
doesn't mean it cannot be a profitable endeavour....

IF the business model is sound...
THEN proper investors and / or the big corps will happily get involve / back / fund the endeavour....
THEN we ALL know something very good is going to ACTUALLY come through..
IF the big players / investors take an interest, it means that they know that there are gains to be made from a successful business model...
IF no big players / investors take an interest, then it is a model that will not fly.
It is pretty plain and simple...
It doesn't have to be a giant corporation...
all it needs to be is a smart business person or entity with enough capital who sees a good investment.
and a good investment means a good return..
and that means sales...
and that means numbers of endusers...
and that means a large enough pool of endusers to be considered a supportable community..
and naturally the investors focus is on the primary factor of seeing that the investment is backing a solidly and blatantly obvious excellent end product device / os as well.

So there is your litmus test.

(for example ..chen and his work has gotten BIG attention and support...his is a good model to weigh by...)


But show me another dozen or two dozen vague "coming soons.."
But show me another dozen or two dozen "we need your unconditional time and financial support or need an / yet another infusion of nonrefundable capital..."
or
"We need a pre-pre-pre-order fundraiser...then we will go to the pre-pre-order fundraiser.."

And I will simply not listen ....not anymore.

Its a steaming pile.

Show me a supported finished product I can purchase...
anything less is wasting my time...
wasting everyone's time.
with waiting..
with funds..
with writing post after post supporting and defending ...such towering B.S...
or in my case ...finally having enough of my fill doing so..
recanted....
and write posts saying .."sure be hopeful...but be pragmatic about it."

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Yet another > 4.7" screen phone :(

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I assume you are referring to my post. Maybe I was trying to be too terse and did not express myself clearly enough. I was not implying the need for any funding. I was merely referring to this post of yours where you asked for, I quote,

I maintain that no new product will ever come with all of the above included. Heck, even Android, today the most successful mobile OS under the sun, did not come with all of it included when it first came out.

A product need a certain critical mass of users to attract
a) 3rd party developers to provide "apps that are functional and competitive with the opposition";
b) lasting support by its own creator.

It takes a lot of money to maintain a product like a mobile OS. If it wasn't for early adopters who are willing to pay for "an OS that is half baked" and "a repo with not enough apps that are functional and competitive with the opposition", if everyone was waiting until all those things were sorted out, then what do you think would happen?

There are only two possibilities:
1) The company gives up;
2) The company finds a large investor who assumes the role of the missing early adopters at the price of the company losing its independence and the product losing its attractiveness to the very people who called for the product in the first place but were too cautious to back it.

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My views are mostly the same as @nieldk has, I have not much to add.

In my mind one needs to keep keep an open mind towards new developments, I am a bit saddened that some community members seem to have descended into some vitrious pit of nonbelief recently.