Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/g...device-phone#/

Features:

Two weeks of stand-by time / 12 hours of talk time
Fully tactile keyboard - recognised as the smallest keyboard for finger touch typing
Measure: 17.1 cm x 8.0 cm x 1.35 cm
5.7” colour hi-res ultra-wide touch screen
Wifi & WiFi+4G mobile options
Weight: 400 g
Dual side mounted speakers
Dual USB-C connectors to connect to keyboards, external screens, mice, charging cables as needed and many more.
Integrated Voice Assist button
SD card slot (covered)

Software:

Gemini is powered by the latest Android OS, supporting all your favourite applications. A number of key applications will also be optimised for the landscape screen and physical keyboard.

Gemini will also support Linux as a secondary boot option which provides Linux users with the rich set of Open Source applications.

The software also supports voice recognition using the integrated Voice Assist smart button located on the right hand side of Gemini. You can interact with Gemini using voice commands, even when it is closed in your pocket.

Quick Facts

Gemini is an integrated keyboard mobile device that fits in your pocket
It features an ultra-thin metal clamshell design with a fully integrated QWERTY keyboard
Designed for Android, it also features a dual boot Linux option
4G & WiFi and WiFi only models are available - enabling both data communications and mobile phone calls
The large ultra-wide touchscreen and double-sized battery provide optimal usability and portability

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Hey that looks nice...10 cores...I hope it's not...well **** ...MediaTek....nope..

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

such a misleading title....... Psion......
just to see Android. Again. :(

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android [and] linux.

according a comment on the indiegogo page, they are at MWC and will go and talk to the Jolla peeps.

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but it's not EPOC :(
Which is understandable. But anyway, I don't see the point in a device like that. Sure, HWK. But other than that?
Can't be used as a phone since there's no secondary screen like on communicators. It can but I for sure wouldn't want that.
To small to be laptop replacement. With or without linux.
It runs android so one already can do all that on the phone.

Make it a slider and then it is something.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Well, how do people use phones?
With BT headset of course. (at least here we do :cool:)

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Can somebody enlighten me what's the point of this design?
One low power co-proccessor for standby-stuff i could understand, but what's this good for:
2x Cortex A72 @2.5GHz
4x Cortex A53 @2.0GHz
4x Cortex A53 @1.55GHz

If i run a webserver on my pocket-computer or do heterogenous supercomputing?

Or is it for power management?

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Only if you're a self-facilitating media node.

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I actually like the design. A 4G version would satisfy my communication needs when I don't want a phone - which has increased a lot lately. Just not a fan of the OS. Not fully.

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Side talking 2.0

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Don't buy it then. Simples.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

To quote Anand:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9227/mediatek-helio-x20

"I like to see MediaTek's tri-cluster approach as an extension to the existing dual A53 cluster designs - where the added A72 cluster is truly optimized for only the highest frequencies. Indeed, we are told that the A72 cluster can reach up to 2.5GHz on a TSMC 20nm process. ARM aims similar clocks for the A72 but at only 14/16nm FinFET processes, so to see MediaTek go this high on 20nm is impressive, even if it's only a two-core cluster. It will be interesting to see how MediaTek chooses the lower frequency limits on each cluster, especially the A72 CPUs, or how these options will be presented to OEMs.

The end-result is a promised 30% improvement in power consumption over a similar 2-cluster approach. This happens thanks to the finer granularity in the performance/power curve and an increase in available performance-power points for the scheduler to place a thread on. Having a process that is heavy enough that it is not capable of residing on the smallest cluster due to performance constraints, but not demanding enough to require the big cluster's full performance, can now reside on this medium cluster at much greater efficiency than had it been running on the big cluster at reduced clocks. MediaTek uses CorePilot as a custom developed scheduler implementation that is both power aware and very advanced (based on our internal testing of other MediaTek SoCs). My experience and research with it on existing devices was fairly positive, so I'm sure the X20's new v3.0 implementation of CorePilot will be able to take good advantage of the tri-cluster design.

The biggest question and need of clarification is in the area of what the MCSI (the interconnect) is capable of. ARM had announced its CCI-500 interconnect back in February, which incidentally also promised the capability of up to 4 CPU clusters. MediaTek hinted that this may be a design based on ARM's CCI - but we're still not sure if this means a loosely based design or a direct improvement of ARM's IP."

But I broadly agree, it seems a little OTT.

In the X20's favour:
A72 high perofmance cores.
Relatively modern 20nm fab process.
Vulkan capable graphics engine.

In the X20's deficit column:
It's Mtek, so traditionally poor linux driver support.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

there's nothing to buy anyway. You know how it usually ends up with those moneyasking projects.

Anyway, a slider like graalphone but without the stupid phone would interest me more. That GPD thingy also looks more interesting than this.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

So one of the Psion Series 3/5 designers is involved in this Gemini project.

This project seems to be the answer to Reg poll 1st place :
Bring it BACK... with MODs! Psion 5 storms great tech revival poll
The AA-powered, pocket-sized touch daddy
24 Feb 2017 at 13:06, Gavin Clarke

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More links about Gemini PDA :
http://www.planetcom.co.uk/
https://liliputing.com/2017/02/gemin...wdfunding.html

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

I think you mean helpdesk worker? Nope, I'm a biker :D

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More details :
Wow, imagine a Gemini PDA/Smartphone with Sailfish ?

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Nope. I definitely meant self-facilitating media node.

Though of course you'd be using a Wasp T12 Speechtool, not a Gemini PDA, if you wanted to be totally Mexico.

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I love it...

Just like i love my P11Z:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-...k.16038.0.html

Are they coming back? :)

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Take a look at GPD Pocket https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/g...2/x/16082729#/

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I am imagining it but it fails to make me go "wow". More like "meh".

Sailfish is a good crutch when the device has an inferior user interface. But the Gemini has no need for such crutches, having been designed like a real computer. Why compromise? Put a real Linux on it, with a proper desktop UI. Oh wait, they did!

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

I could not find any info about that device, except that it is some kind of television fictional device? (not even from Mexico...)

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

It's from a TV show from about 10 years ago, which incidentally managed to relatively accurately predict the future, which seems to be a recurring theme in Charlie Brooker productions.

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Chris Morris too.

I remember watching The Day Today (a fake news programme) the first time around, and thinking how hilarious the ludicrous excess of the CGI intro / ident bits was.

Watching it today for the first time you might well miss the joke, because that's exactly what 24 hour TV news looks like...

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Gemini PDA project has hit its Indiegogo goal (USD 200,000) after 2 days !

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Gemini PDA is mainly an Android smartphone + qwerty mechanical keyboard. Linux is an option with dual boot.
So Sailfish OS would be an alternative to Android on Gemini.
And the Linux distribution which will be used by Gemini PDA is not yet decided.

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The keyboard has no F1-F12 keys and lacks a few symbol keys too. I doubt it could be really used as an UMPC with "real" Linux inside rather than usual Android.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

This photos of Gemini PDA at MWC 2017 shows additional/different symbols for many keyboard keys :
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/r...-linux-delight
http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/...ion-gemini.jpg
http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/...n-gemini-1.jpg
But no F1-F12.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Wow, there is a "backlight" on space key ! :cool:

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Helio-X25 :eek: MTK :eek::eek::eek:
Known as great supporters of openess :rolleyes:

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

This is much better then. Indiegogo page has photos without Fn key and other symbols:

https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-medi...x1atdgj0id.jpg

https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-medi...whxbdovbyp.jpg

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

The Gemini PDA keyboad layout is like Psion Series 5MX and Revo Plus :
http://www.timfg.com/uploads/1/0/2/8...12406_orig.jpg
http://pdadb.net/img/psion_revo_plus.jpg

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

The 5MX keyboard is fabulous, it is the best I have ever used in a PDA device. And the power requirements of the thing are something to be envied today, it runs on 2 AA batteries for weeks in normal usage! :D

Granted, it only has greyscale display but it does run X11 on it fairly well. :p

The usability of 5MX as a communications device is slightly limited by the fact that there's no network interface, you can of course run SLIP over the RS232 interface but the 9600BPS limitation makes it a perfect piece to practice the virtue of patience on.

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No stylus support? Too bad. Everything that's not made for finger touch becomes unusable. Things like you know, every desktop application. Even though it would be capable of things like Gimp or LibreOffice, without precise control of the pointer, including hover support, to actually use it will be a source of frustration.

I've an Ubuntu Touch tablet, which is capable of running desktop applications as well. Even though its screen is much bigger, it is quite pointless without an external pointing device connected (pun intended).

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Would love if it support wacom type pens. But If they can build it and it supports sailfish and linux I would consider buying it. I'm not interested in an android device.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

good job clever people have been thinking about problems like this:

https://dot.kde.org/2017/01/12/kde-r...kirigami-ui-20

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

GNOME 3 and GTK3 applications in general are quite usable with finger touch.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Kirigami is nice, and certainly has merits for certain types of applications, but applications like Darktable, LibreOffice, Gimp or IDE's are not easily adapted for finger / handheld use while retaining full functionality without going through layers upon layers of selections and menus.

Given a proper stylus, those applications can be used without modifications on smaller screens.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

More news about Gemini PDA, from comments answers :
Wow, EPOC Agenda reborn !?!?!?
Jolla talks will continue. Fn keys via modifier :
So Sailfish OS is asked by some future Gemini PDA users, and Planet Computers folks are discussing about Sailfish OS with Jolla.