Proposal for Jolla to use open social networks
 

Jolla uses Twitter and Facebook as tools of communication, and until now it was using Identica (which is now closing). They aren't present on open social networks like Diaspora though. Feel free to invite them there.

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To be honest, why they don't just use their own website. Never understood why would anybody need to hide their PR behind a login-wall.

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I rather see them creating talk.sailfish.org.

EDIT: A cool twist could be that they sending a key code with the device so only users who has bought the device could create an account.

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I agree, but for whatever reason they don't want to open their forum. So since they stick to social networks (which is somewhat weird for a company), I at least invite them to use the open ones.

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Talking about Jolla and open social networks (this is not quite what you guys mean, but it fits the thread title as well): I wonder if other platforms can be as tightly integrated into Sailfish as Twitter and Facebook already are. This "social networks are deeply integrated in our cool new platform" typically means there is support for this two and that's it. Nokia Belle has this "1-click-social-network-sharing-feature" (not this exact name, but similar) directly from the camera app, which to this day is Facbook only, and god forbid 3rd parties could extend feature to other platforms. No plugin-architecture like Maemo has (but unfortunately has been slowly decaying).
Now in Sailfish, Facebook is really tightly woven in there (by the looks of it on all those videos), and I'd really love for the same functionalities to work with all the open networks out there

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Are you serious? How many times did you visiting Nokia homepage :O If Jolla were not on social media they would for sure die before even they had released the Alpha SDK.

In new bussiness you have to be on social media. Everything else is just plain stupidness. Only geeks visiting jolla.com.

But in case of what media they fokus should be were they first want to success in this case China: Does people here know what social media China uses?

I doubt it's facebook and twitter as first.

People here have to understand that world is bigger than just western countrys.

But if you want them to be on XXX social media. Send a message to @jollahq on twitter and give em a hint. They often answers questions there very fast.

But IMHO they are on many social media channels already. Just look at the icons on they'r homepage.


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Thanks for tip about Diaspora registered myself as mike7b4 :)
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I asked that questioon some weeks ago at @jollahq theyr answer is yes it is possible. I also checked here for some more hints about the actual API:

https://github.com/nemomobile

intresting parts:

nemo-plugin-* is probadly used in sailfish to...


The reason they say facebook/twitter integrated in west media is probadly because thats what we use here. Theyr probadly talk about Chinas social media in china.

Normal people doesnt care about if jolla has support for some open social media. Mainly because normal people dos not care about that (even if they should because of privacy concerns etc...)

Summary is yes it is possible with third party social media plugins :)

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Everything is possible with jailbroken iPhone too. I just don't get what is so unique about anything on Jolla.

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So, can you install Android on your "jailbroken" iPhone? The damn thing remains a closed piece of hardware you may borrow from Apple at stupendous costs.

On topic: Jolla should not use current social media as primary communication channel. I understand the need for them to be present on those networks, or at least eventually. But as a company that for the time being aims at the more tech-inclined (and after all, those are the folks which will create the apps..) they should be aware that a large part of that group steers very clear of platforms as facebook, google and twitter.

But open, decentralized social media is an unfortunate mess currently. Yeah, there's diaspora. And appleseed and buddycloud and status.net and ... ,but they all interoperate quite poorly with each other, if at all. Perhaps they could pick one and try to kickstart it. Who knows.

Anyway, the primary communication channel should be their website with Atom/RSS feeds. Put a blog and forum on it (and use OpenID!)

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Most of them are on IRC, the most geeky form of being social.

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Yes, developers are, and they should thats exacly why I love this company.

BUT Developers != marketing people. Marketing people should be used for the masses.

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Wait, you said they shouldn't use social media, but should target the masses.

There is a mismatch in this logic.

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Why would anyone install copycat Android on the iPhone?

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Ah, now I remember a requirement I'd have for the Jolla device.

Up to now people have been posting stuff they want to include to the device, but there's also something I'd like to have the option to uninstall

Consider the N9; it's fairly impossible to uninstall facebook and twitter from the device, if you try to you will get to dependency hell and large parts of UI are broken.

So, I have just removed te icons from desktop, but the applications are still in the device.

Now I would like the Jolla device built up so, that user can uninstall any of the default "Integrated Social Media Applications" if se so wishes, without breaking any functionality of the device.

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And Persona too (I like it more than OpenID).

That would be good. I'll probably uninstall FB and Twitter integration as a first step, since I don't use those :)

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?? DId I :) ? read again...

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Fully agree that it should be possible uninstall the apps without dependencies problem.

My guess is Harmattan team panicken when they wrote the plugin API and made the dpgs's in "short time".

I don't think facebook/twitter is integrated so stupid in sailfishos.

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oops, mixed you up then :)

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This needs to be brought to Jolla's attention. Freedom to remove stuff (especially stuff like this) is just as important as the freedom to install stuff. Imagine e.g. you couldn't uninstall that pesky Amazon lens from Ubuntu without breaking it. Unthinkable!

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You know Friendica? It integrates well with a bunch of other services, and it even used to have a Fecbook connector - still has it, but it's not developed anymore, because FB keeps shutting itself off.

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Friendica kind of integrates, but I hear people having problems with it when integrating with Diaspora. I personally use Diaspora, but it would be good if all these networks could come up with unified protocol.

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Can anyone rembember the Nokia Mobile Webserver for symbian? http://research.nokia.com/page/231 This was pretty ahead of its time. It would be nice if you could run your own social network node with your data on your device. Sure, you don't have high availability, but that is a small price to pay. You could do such cool things, like bumping phones together and exchanging public keys with each other for encryption, so only your friends have access to your social network node.

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If you've got a Diaspora membership, congratulations.

I visited their website & applied for a membership as directed YEARS ago, nothing happened, not even an acknowledgment via email.

A year or so later, I visited their unchanged website & applied again, still nothing.

I seriously disbelieve there's anything there, as much as I would appreciate a less-evil alternative to Facebook & Google.

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This also calls to mind the Nokia Instant Communities where only WiFi was needed to create localized social networks. Something like that would be great with a customized "Other Half" at an event or a concert. It could greatly help communicate when the cellular access could be down.I see possibilities for this within businesses and their private internal communication at various locations. (And no way for NSA and Governments to snoop this information from a remote location easily).

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You didn't get the concept of Diaspora right - it's decentralized and there are many pods (same like there are many XMPP servers or many e-mail servers and etc.). And they all can communicate with each other. There are many pods with open registration (and always were). There is completely no point to wait for anything, just find a pod and register:

https://diasp.eu/stats.html
https://diapod.net/active
http://podupti.me

If you want you can even run your own pod (Diaspora is free software): https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora...llation-Guides

What you encountered is probably that the largest pod (https://joindiaspora.com) which is run by the team which started the project was closed for registration originally. Not only it's open now, you didn't really have to use it, as I said, there were always many other open pods.

There is a lot going on there, so give it a try.

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Definitely.
I find Diaspora a bit of a drag to use, it's very lacking in features and development is not really happening.
Friendica is much closer to feature-completeness (but still far from it).

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+1 for using own page, and "social nonsense" as a *additional* way of communicating. The thing you can't get any meaningful info from their website, is keeping me away from being interested in up-to-date Jolla's info, since they've started.

Heck, TMO gives me more knowledge about Jolla, than Jolla website.

/Estel

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Yes but info comming to TMO via exact that media you call "social nonsense"

Even if I agree social media is overhyped its a fact and many people use it and thats why they must use those marketing channels. I say again who would know about Jolla if they did not use those channels? Seriously there is now other ways this days.

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I don't agree. Everyone says multiplayer is a "must" nowadays, in gaming world, yet guys from CD-Projekt RED rock the show with The Witcher 3, ruling even such "commercialized" events as E3 - all of that, while saying "The Witcher doesn't have place for multiplayer".

If Jolla is making different things that gray mass around us, they could also diff themselves from gray-mass ways of communication. Not to mention how counter-effective current way is, if many people need to get info about Jolla products from *maemo*.org.

The way you're advocating, is what pathetic marketing people from facebook/twitter/whatever trained you to do, without you even realizing. Same sh|t was happening with microsoft vs linux, just few years back ("there is no other way as aiming for windows", and such nonsense - now, it doesn't even hold its ground in gaming industry, most glued to microsh|t, let alone other branches of software).

/Estel

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Even putting all those "Jolla should be different" things - from pure practical point of view, company that announce it's products via 3rd party social networking things, instead of having own, well-organized site, doesn't look very serious/professional.

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I and many people just use tmo for jolla information:)
in fact the only forum thats hyper active on jolla as a centralized source:)

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You are wrong, Diaspora development is quite active. And I like the community there. You can see current development proposals discussed here: https://www.loomio.org/groups/194

Development activity: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/graphs

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A pity they don't plan to develop TW3 for Linux so far. Even Linux support on GOG is lacking yet. GOG is a digital distribution service, and they are a subsidiary of CD Projekt Red. Their specialty is a hard stand on DRM free games.

Feel free to vote for it: http://www.gog.com/en/wishlist/site/...sions_of_games

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Thanks for mentioning - even though I'm "old time" gog.com user ;) While I agree and voted already, I must admit that lack of "official" support seems to be related to wine. It's super-easy to run 99% of gog.com games using it, including TW's. Maybe people saying "wine is slowing Linux down" are right after all, but meh.

But, it is off-topic here, so just a minor clarification and we're out of it - gog.com isn't subsidiary of CD-P RED, REDs are studio that is subsidiary of CD-P (which, in itself, is games distributor). In the same way, gog.com, indeed is subsidiary of CD-P (but not REDs).

/Estel

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That proposal isn't about Wine, but about selling native Linux games (like Humble Bundle does). But yeah, let's not go too far off-topic.

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I am sure that the percentage of the Jolla potential customers on Diaspora is incomparably bigger than on other social networks.

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About Jolla support open media like diaspora:

You do realise that diaspora API is not yet ready?

https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/API-v1

However I think the mer community definitivly should take a look and make it work in nemo at first. The "social media plugin API" are the same used in sailfish AFAIK so its should not be that hard make it work on saifish too. But dont expect Jolla to prioritize this when diaspora API not even near to stable.

Btw. To start a flamewar, RubyOnRails sucks bigtime. I prefer web2py and DJango over RubyOnRails. What a shame diaspore using RoR ;)

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Yeah, Diaspora API is not ready yet, because they are in the process of changing their federation architecture.

I'm not too much into web development, but I think RubyOnRails is good in its own right. It's progressing and if some stuff there is inefficient - it can be fixed. Other than that, it's simply a matter of preference or familiarity with whatever language like Ruby or Python :)