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sailfish roadmap su*ks by the way, first of all there are not enough apps, what oems will launch the device with sailfish 0s 3 is not clear (fish was announced way ahead of its launch), sailfish is celebrating os 3 with just 3 or 4 devices (s*ny primarily, so cheap bast*rds like me are sad), updates for fish are not released in fixed time, who is planning the saifish roadmap?

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So Sailfish includes an FM app but it doesn't work on the Xperia? I can't imagine it's a difficult fix, so perhaps in SF 3.0?

Can anybody tell me definitively that one or more third party FM radio programs work?

Do you know the name of one of the packages so I can research this? It would be really helpful if it could just reuse either the Android or Symbian drivers.

It also just occurred to me that I have an unused wifi router with USB ports and DD-WRT. At one point I installed a Linux driver and was able to communicate with my Symbian phone via USB from the router, but never got it to dial. If the driver is also compatible with the Xperia, I could give this another try.

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Albeit with severely outdated packages.


(re: JVM): But why, though? I can understand that you could technically run the same software as on your desktop computer, but you're going to be using different software on a mobile device anyway due to the physical size constraints, which make it impractical at best. I think the most you would get out of it would be to show others "look, it's LibreOffice, running on my phone", but just like playing Doom on your microwave, it's something you do once and then forget about it. Perhaps I'm making too many assumptions, but I'm curious what use you would get out of JVM on a phone.


Are you talking about the Intex Aqua Fish? I think it was obvious from the start that that was to be a very poorly made device with no support from Intex, a company that marketed their phone being used as a compass when the device doesn't even have one. I'm surprised it's even seen any updates at all.

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regular updates is one of the main features of sailfish os (unlike crapdroid) thats why many of us bought the sailfish device. I just dup and update my phone through terminal but every time i see a question on tjc regarding fish not getting updates it makes me sad. and i know jolla can provide updates to this device because fish is another jolla c but they have to wait for the green flag from intex but this situation should change.

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They work, but not on the Xperia X, and no sorry its not an easy fix and not a widely demanded feature either.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...#post-id-61513

it'll be using the RNDIS networking drivers

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@nthn, I agree with everything you say except the "running desktop applications on a mobile" thing. I regularly ran desktop apps on my N900. You just take random sources, type "make" and voilà. I also ran them pre-built under Easy Debian, although I admit that some are more suitable than others.

But that was the N900. That was special. Most mobiles are indeed very poor targets for running desktop apps. Not "due to physical size constraints" - some are really massive by anyone's standard (except perhaps Dav999 and gerbick) and, thanks to the nonsensical pixel wars, have screen resolutions four times higher than any desktop. No, the real reason why they are not suitable for running desktop apps is a) no physical keyboard and b) capacitive touchscreen without a stylus.

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Open "Jolla Store", go to "Markets" (bottom end), choose Aptoide Store (with Android apps).

You can also use the web browser to search and download Amazon App Store, F-Droid, etc.

More ways to install Android apps :
How to get Android apps without using the Play Store
Yalp Store allows to access Google Play Store with your Google account or anonymous one.

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Okay, I see you indeed have been using da symbian a bit too long, right?
Things have changed a bit from those days, when you needeed to connect to a device via slip/ppp and utter AT-commands to it to make the connection!

Nowdays there is nothing like that needed any longer.

When a (linux-) phone is connected to 3G/4G/5G network, it always has the packet connection open in kernel, there is an active network device that can send/receive packets in the device.
When you plug in USB cable, and set up an IP network over it (which happens pretty much automatically if your computer uses linux, for windoze you need to install rndis drivers or similar thingies) you are pretty much a-ok already.
Just set nat and forwarding in the phone and point your default route to it in the computer and all works automagically, no need to "set up the modem" or other silliness there.

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I guess the current thinking is "if Sailfish doesn't offer software natively, I can go to Android". I want a Sailfish phone in part because I don't like Android and would prefer to patron anything else (except Microsoft). I know a good Python port is available. Is that built-in? As long as it doesn't adversely impact storage for user-installed programs, I don't mind a fatter Sailfish image with maps, an office suite, a JVM, etc. Anybody who doesn't want it can uninstall it or doesn't have to use it. But I'll admit this could also be old school thinking. I use a JVM regularly with Symbian, and it feels like an oversight on Jolla's part to force me to give it up.

Augh! That's a problem because I use Symbian's FM radio all the time. Will need to make some noise on Jolla's Together server...once I can finally log in.

Ah, Aptoid = Android. Got it.

Yes, too long, but I don't like Android, can't quite accept an iPhone, and won't buy Windoze-anything, so have felt stuck. I can still make most things work on my 3rd Ed. phone with a little effort. It's frustrating that lack of TLS 1.1/1.2, something relatively small, is what finally made it obsolete.

Thanks for the networking/tethering details! This is all very interesting and will be my next Sailfish reading project.

And thanks for all the great answers, everybody!

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Okay, I think I understood (a bit) your idea.
When tethering with a modern smartphone, you don't tether like the old dump phones. You do not use the phone as a "modem" to dial (you don't send "+++AT" commands to establish a 3G connection from your computer).

The phone will be connected on its own to the internet.
And then *redirects* network trafic to necessary devices.
It works like a router.
The ISP still sees your phone connected to the internet and has no clue what you're doing at all.
The laptop you're tethering too doesn't see a *modem*, it sees a network access point, like a Wifi router.

Out of the box, the smartphone has a nice GUI to enable such routing over Wifi. The smartphone simply starts to act like an Internet router, to whose Wifi you connect.


With the USB tether, once you've installed the dev mode support, the smartphone show on the USB as a USB network device.
A laptop with linux has support for that out of the box. If windows doesn't, a pretty standard USB Network driver should do the trick, nothing special needed.

This USB network works like if you had a direct network cable to your phone.
By default, it's a simply 1 to 1 network : you laptop can see your smartphone, your smartphone can see your laptop, that's it.

It's possible to type commands that will ask the smartphone to start forwarding thing from USB to its internet connection.
(Just like a router, but this time wired).

It's also possible to connect to SSH running on the phone in proxy mode and use that as a proxy on your browser.

It's just yet another app store for android.
The peculiarity is that instead of having one giant single list of software (like on Google's Playstore), Aptoid has tons of different repositories to which you can subscribe.

When you install "android support" on your Xperia, you get android apps also appearing in the Jolla Store.
One of these is "Aptoid". If you install it you can access any android app on any aptoid repository that you like.
By default, the repository called "Sailfish-app" is active and you can get tons of applications from there.

(NOTE: Currently, the version of WhatsApp there is buggy. For now fetch it from the WhatsApp website).


In that case, beware :

Google is putting more functionnality into their proprietary services, and more applications are relying on that.
(e.g.: their location system is proprietary).

A good alternative is trying to get microG installed instead. It's an independent opensource implementation of the same APIs that some apps might want, and that would require the proprietary Google services.
I haven't had opportunity to test them yet, but there are people reporting success on Xperia with these.

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Regarding FM onm the Xperia :
currently Sailfish 2.2.0 doesn't have a functionnal driver, according to Jolla's announcements.
(There's no /dev/...blah... showing up to play radio with).

Maybe they'll manage to activate the functionality in a future kernel.

If you absolutely rely on radio musique, but can at least get a good connection ( either Wifi or 3G/4G), consider using web radios in the meantime.

Sailfish is, in my opinion, a good solution if you don't mind getting your hands dirty and hack and tweak stuff here and there.
While at the same time you still have some access to Android and don't miss the applications that you might be needing.

Beware, the current Android compatibility has very little direct hardware access. e.g.: It can't directly drive Bluetooth devices.
So forget using an Android app that talks directly to your sport health monitor gadget.
Sailfish has some bluetooth support, so it can handle some devices (e.g.: Bluetooth speakers), which will then show as generic audio output to the android apps. You can thus still listen to musique with Spotify on your bluetooth speakers.

By the time of Sailfish 3.0, Jolla might be considering some better solution, but aren't allowed to speak about it yet.

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we could definately do with an update from Jolla on where things stand.

re: obligatory plug for XA2 Plus support - if there is no FM support in Sailfish, then it will sting less in a phone iwith no 3.5mm...

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This might even save me money. Many budget wireless carriers don't explicitly support tethering, and those that do typically charge extra. If there's no way to detect a host computer (short of some heuristic test), then I could potentially change carriers or rework my bill.

Just thought of another question. Does Sailfish have any problem connecting to Ad-Hoc networks? (I know Kindle devices do.) I'll probably use JoikuSpot on my Symbian phone for a while until I'm ready to install a SIM in the Xperia.

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Yup, you definitely DO NOT need the "tethering" option from you carrier.

Indeed, on the ISP point of view all traffic is generated from smartphone. (Some time this happens to be due to a local app, some time "on the behalf of" another device that the smartphone routes. But there's only 1 single IP address ever seen, the routing handles masquerading)

Ad-Hoc : haven't tested with the Xperia X specifically.
But, back with my Jolla 1 I was in the same situation (was tethering from my HP Pre3 until I switched SIMs around), so the OS it self supports it.
Unless there's a weird bug on the Wifi chip on the Xperia X that I'm unaware of, it should work as expected.

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jTox is in heavy development to get work audio/video. owner told.
kaidan will come to sailfish o.s when QT5.9 hit s.f. same.

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When my brother-in-law was running small ISP, we routinely checked TTL of packets and applied fingerprinting when in doubt. The question is, does the ISP even bother to check.

(and there was this guy, who tried to use WinXP connection sharing and misconfigured it. As the radio network had some delays, his DHCP was "closer" to nearly half of the nodes, so he became their gateway. He ate his traffic quota in no time ;P )

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The bold links in post #1 are dead.
Is there any official roadmap?
I can see the jolla blog and some other more promotional stuff on their sites, but not an actual roadmap/development status...

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Given that the above was posted in May 2015, is there any news? It would be lovely to have Miracast on my Sailfish device.

(I am aware of Screencast and Jupii, both of which are a nice proof of concept and fun to play with for half an hour but unusable for any practical purposes and completely unusable for the intended purpose.)

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if jolla are sensible they'll announce xperia 10 II support at least a month prior to amazon prime day or black friday (whichever comes first).

everyone knows sony prices high for midrange specs, a sale price of sony hardware will drive sfos sales.

time for a roadmap blog post...